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CPH offer of a new meeting about DNS Abuse + Preparatory Meeting.
by Bruna Martins dos Santos Feb. 16, 2022

Feb. 16, 2022

Dear all, Hope this email finds you well and healthy. I am writing to let everyone know that the CPH offered us another opportunity to have an interaction/exchange with them about DNS abuse, similar to a meeting we had last year. The invitation itself is to join one of regular meetings that take place on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC and we are yet to schedule a slot with Keith. You might recall that such cross-community interactions are part of their efforts around the topic of DNS Abuse and, for this call, they are inviting us to *"further dialogue and collaboration on trusted notifier expectations and malicious vs. compromised domains. If there are other topics NCSG members would like to discuss related to DNS security threats, we are happy to engage".* A doodle about a preparatory meeting - exclusive for NCSG members - was already sent to the DNS Abuse and Policy Committee list but the meeting that was scheduled for today had to be cancelled due to agenda issues. As it would be interesting for us to have this conversation and schedule the meeting with the CPH as soon as possible, I would like to inquire with everyone whether it would be possible to *reschedule this preparatory meeting for next wednesday at 19h00 UTC*. In case you are not able to attend such meeting next week, feel free to suggest another slot and so on. Looking forward to hearing from everyone and apologies for the inconveniences. Best, Bruna -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin für Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype: bruna.martinsantos *bruna.martinsdossantos(a)wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos(a)wzb.eu>* and bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com

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Canceled: NCSG PC discuss DNS Security Threats | Wednesday, 16 February @ 18 UTC
by ICANN Policy Calendar Feb. 16, 2022

Feb. 16, 2022

Please join NCSG DNS Abuse Working group and NCSG PC to discuss DNS Security Threats before a meeting with CPH. Date and time: Wednesday, 16 February at 18:00 UTC. Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+DNS+Abuse+WG…>. Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09 Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584 Passcode: i!y7.qx+11 One tap mobile +13017158592,,98878189584#,,,,*7740925615# US (Washington DC) +13126266799,,98878189584#,,,,*7740925615# US (Chicago) Phone ONLY Details: Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/ajz2OnZm6 ID: 988 7818 9584 Passcode: 7740925615

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NCSG PC discuss DNS Security Threats | Wednesday, 16 February @ 18 UTC
by ICANN Policy Calendar Feb. 15, 2022

Feb. 15, 2022

Please join NCSG DNS Abuse Working group and NCSG PC to discuss DNS Security Threats before a meeting with CPH. Date and time: Wednesday, 16 February at 18:00 UTC. Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+DNS+Abuse+WG…>. Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09 Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584 Passcode: i!y7.qx+11 One tap mobile +13017158592,,98878189584#,,,,*7740925615# US (Washington DC) +13126266799,,98878189584#,,,,*7740925615# US (Chicago) Phone ONLY Details: Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/ajz2OnZm6 ID: 988 7818 9584 Passcode: 7740925615

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ACTION REQUEST: Doodle-Discuss DNS Security Threats before a meeting with CPH
by Brenda Brewer Feb. 14, 2022

Feb. 14, 2022

Dear NCSG PC and DNS Abuse Working Group, Please see the doodle poll, https://doodle.com/poll/vkzgbnsppn8nixm4?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link and select your available times for a meeting to discuss DNS Security Threats before a meeting with CPH. We have a quick turn around on this doodle. Your timely response is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Best, Andrea and Brenda

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Re: [ncsg-dns-abuse-wg] Interesting Research Pieces Incase you missed them
by Ephraim Percy Kenyanito Feb. 10, 2022

Feb. 10, 2022

Dear colleagues, Please find two pieces below which might interest you. 1. https://www.article19.org/resources/online-freedoms-safeguards-must-be-bala… 2. https://www.article19.org/resources/icann-content-moderation-at-the-infrast… Will be great if we can restart these conversations this year and come up with join positions. -- Best Regards, Ephraim Percy Kenyanito Public Policy Specialist/ Regulatory Affairs Specialist/ Project Manager- International Trade, Technology, Media & Telecommunications Laws Website: https://ekenyanito.com/ Twitter: @ekenyanito <https://twitter.com/ekenyanito> PGP Fingerprint: B0FA394AF73DEB7AA1FDC7360CFED26DE6BA8DC1

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Next WG Meeting and some updates
by Bruna Martins dos Santos July 16, 2021

July 16, 2021

Hey there all, Hope everyone is ok! There has been some developments in the past weeks with regards to the DNS abuse topic and I figured it would be good for us to reactivate the discussions here. Some of the points we need to discuss are: 1. CPH and NCSG dialogue on DNS Abuse: Keith invited us for a new meeting, at the tentative date of Tuesday 27 July at 1500 UTC. 2. Rrsg issued a Registrant Protections in DNS Abuse Mitigation Paper a few weeks ago (attached) 3. Reinforced need for NCSG to discuss and achieve consensus on a DNS Abuse position - including a discussion about categories and mitigation resources. Given that CPH is suggesting a call on july 27th, can we agree on a date for an internal WG call before that ? Any week day around 11H00 UTC ? best, Bruna https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6tqd1FWRO8tScYAeFeF7qePo4Tvm_eZFAzrO81… -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype: bruna.martinsantos bruna(a)dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com

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Fwd: Invitation: (RrSG) CPH DNS Abuse call @ Tue Feb 9, 2021 12:00 - 13:00 (BRT) (bruna.mrtns@gmail.com)
by Bruna Martins dos Santos Feb. 9, 2021

Feb. 9, 2021

Dear all, As mentioned before, I have asked CPH for a slot to a possible first chat between NCSG and their DNS Abuse WG. The idea for this call is to understand their initiative a little better as well as their plans for engagement with the community. Please make sure to join if your agenda allows. Best, Bruna ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: <secretariat(a)rysg.info> Date: Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 6:53 PM Subject: Invitation: (RrSG) CPH DNS Abuse call @ Tue Feb 9, 2021 12:00 - 13:00 (BRT) (bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com) To: <bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com> *You have been invited to the following event.* (RrSG) CPH DNS Abuse call *When* Tue Feb 9, 2021 12:00 – 13:00 Brasilia Standard Time - Sao Paulo *Where* 15:00 UTC | https://icann.zoom.us/j/91179659393?pwd=THBVYVlKSWxFaW5nMFdOZVNPQ3VSdz09 ( map <https://www.google.com/maps/search/15:00+UTC+%7C+https:%2F%2Ficann.zoom.us%…> ) *Joining info* Join with Google Meet meet.google.com/nvv-hymv-omo <https://meet.google.com/nvv-hymv-omo?hs=224> Join by phone (US) +1 361-459-2470 <+1-361-459-2470;323312775#> (PIN: 323312775) More phone numbers <https://tel.meet/nvv-hymv-omo?pin=6485968832954&hs=0> *Calendar* bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com *Who* • secretariat(a)rysg.info - organizer • bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com more details » <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=MWEwY2RhOHF2ZmZ0…> Meeting: (RrSG) CPH DNS Abuse call Recurring every 4 weeks at 15:00 UTC starting Tuesday, 15 December 2020 – December 2021 for 1 hour (recording = no / transcript = no) Join Zoom Meeting https://icann.zoom.us/j/91179659393?pwd=THBVYVlKSWxFaW5nMFdOZVNPQ3VSdz09 <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Ficann.zoom.us%2Fj%2F91179659393%…> Meeting ID: 911 7965 9393 Passcode: 8!vrbd?q6g If you are joining on audio only, please see below. One tap mobile +16699006833,,91179659393#,,,,,,0#,,370552# US (San Jose) +13462487799,,91179659393#,,,,,,0#,,370552# US (Houston) Meeting ID: 911 7965 9393 Passcode: 370552 Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/aq. <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Ficann.zoom.us%2Fu%2Faq.&sa=D&sou…> .. Going (bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com)? *Yes <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=RESPOND&eid=MWEwY2RhOHF2Z…> - Maybe <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=RESPOND&eid=MWEwY2RhOHF2Z…> - No <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=RESPOND&eid=MWEwY2RhOHF2Z…>* more options » <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=MWEwY2RhOHF2ZmZ0…> Invitation from Google Calendar <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/> You are receiving this email at the account bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com because you are subscribed for invitations on calendar bruna.mrtns(a)gmail.com. To stop receiving these emails, please log in to https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to send a response to the organizer and be added to the guest list, or invite others regardless of their own invitation status, or to modify your RSVP. Learn More <https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding>. -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins

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SSR2 and EPDP on DNS abuse (rec 15)
by Tatiana Tropina Feb. 6, 2021

Feb. 6, 2021

Hi all, further to our conversation earlier today. I don't know how many of you have seen the SSR2 final report from a few days ago, but I finally got my hands on it. Recommendation 15: ====== "After creating the Temporary Specification (see SSR2 Recommendation 14: Create a Temporary Specification for Evidence-based Security Improvements), I*CANN org should establish a staff-supported Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) to create an anti-abuse policy. The EPDP volunteers should represent the ICANN community, using the numbers and distribution from the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data EPDP team charter as a template"*. ======= The report is here: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/ssr2-review-team-final-report-2… Perhaps no new for some of you but again I didn't have time to read this earlier. Cheers Tanya

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Re: [ncsg-dns-abuse-wg] Action points - NCSG DNS Abuse Task-Force
by Tomslin Samme-Nlar Feb. 6, 2021

Feb. 6, 2021

Hi Stephanie, Thanks for the additional points. Your 4th point on SubPro and voluntary commitments on DNS abuse caught my attention. Doesn't SubPro's final report statement in Recommendation 9.15, that "this PDP Working Group is not making any recommendations with respect to mitigating domain name abuse other than stating that any such future effort must apply to both existing and new gTLDs (and potentially ccTLDs)", mean in other words, go make policy on DNS abuse in other fora and groups? I think you articulated the concern of actions on DNS abuse being taken in fora where we have no influence over very well. Does that leave us in support for the SSR2 Recommendation 15 for a EPDP on anti-abuse policy? I think it does. cheers Tomslin On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 at 07:42, Stephanie E Perrin < stephanie.perrin(a)mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: > Thanks very much for this Bruna, and my apologies for missing this > meeting. As I spammed the list lately, somehow I am missing a lot of > ICANN-related emails, and it is impossible to predict when they are being > caught in spam control as many still get through. > > if I might add the following points to the excellent discussion which I > gleaned from the recording and chat: > > - we do need to agree on definitions and mechanisms for policy > development amongst NCSG. I do not think this will be difficult, we seem > to agree on a narrow, technical scope > - Abuse has been raised forever, along with its twin policy bugbear > "accuracy" of RDS data. This has become significantly worse since the 2018 > amendments to the 2013 RAA and subsequent removal of personal data from the > "WHOIS". we have been playing whack-a-mole on this issue, with 3 separate > high interest sessions on it at the last meeting (which we were unable to > stop) > - There is a significant risk that actions will be taken to deal with > the issue in fora where we as NCSG have no input. Note that the contracted > parties are currently working on two different types of contractual > arrangements with ICANN....the new Registrars Accreditation Agreement, > where we have no input but they may throw a bone to their adversaries by > including abuse remedies, and the joint controller/processor agreements > with ICANN wherein they figure out who is responsible for what in the > processing of personal information. In both of these we have no input. > There is a proposal on the table to deal with abuse in a PDP, with the same > representation as we have on the EPDP....I am suspicious of this move as I > am with all such moves, and I sure don't need another committee to work on > as I am overloaded with Council, EPDP, legal cttee on EPDP, and the > IRT.....but it might be a safer, MS environment to deal with issues like > accuracy, abuse, and the "public interest". > - In terms of Subpro, doubtless there are voluntary commitments being > made WRT abuse and abuse mitigations as we move forward with new TLDs. We > have expressed our concerns about these "voluntary" commitments in the > past, and we need to discuss with our members who were on that group, to > find out what was going on there, and to what extent policy is being > written through these commitments in a de facto manner > - this is a rather small point, but I dislike using the term "task > force"....it seems to imply action on our part, a commitment to achieve a > task. We don't actually run the DNS, register names, or deal with access > requests, and we need to keep that in mind. As NCSG, we participate in > policy development....so I would suggest we call this the NCSG Abuse policy > discussion forum. > > I am looking forward to the next meeting! > > Cheers Stephanie Perrin > On 2021-02-04 12:24 p.m., Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: > > *EXTERNAL EMAIL:* > Dear All, > > Thank you so much for joining this initial call. I am just sharing with > you our action points and a few documents: > > 1. Action points > - Confirm call with the CPH Working Group on DNS abuse - tentatively next > thursday, at 15h00 utc > - Map other positions and working definitions of DNS abuse across the > ICANN community; and > - Start drafting a Position Paper: NCSGs DNS abuse working definition, > concerns and process; > -- Draft place-holder > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CFa-qkgr6xAB5Lu-jkVTWGfR7-jjVPGSD-H8eNt…> > > 2. Documents > - Council Action Decision Radar > <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Action+Decision+Rad…> > > - CPH Definition of DNS Abuse > <https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf> > > Best, > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > >

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NCSG DNS Abuse WP | Attendance, Zoom Recording, and Zoom Chat | 4 February 2021
by Brenda Brewer Feb. 4, 2021

Feb. 4, 2021

Dear all, Please find below the call material including attendance, Zoom recording, and Zoom Chat for NCSG DNS Abuse WP call on 4 February at 16:30 UTC. Thank you! Kind regards, Brenda Attendees: Bruna Martins, dos Santos, Cassandra Wachilonga, David Cake, Farell Folly, Farzaneh Badiei, Grace, Juan Manuel Rojas, Joan Katambi, Kristi Hoffmaster, Pedro de Perdigao Lana, Poncelet Ileleji, Raymond Mamattah, Taiwo Peter Akinremi, Tatiana Tropina, Yusif Amadu | ICANN org; Brenda Brewer, Maryam Bakoshi | Apologies; Remmy Zoom Replay Link: https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/Pl1wgRzIjAvOah51Bmf-evT-CBsD6FRHjJPU7rZDPQT5… Zoom Chat: see attached

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