Fortunately many have the status of the judiciary and are not likely to be pushed.  Some are less independent than others.  But the key ones here are IMHO not so likely to cave in at this point.  Of course, that is an outsider viewpoint, others within the EU may know better.  And of course, that is a civil society view of the matter, not one necessarily shared by others on this review team.

SP

On 2018-04-14 17:50, Alan Greenberg wrote:
I didn't say they didn't talk and I didn't say it was an easy job.

Alan

At 14/04/2018 05:40 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

Are you joking?  they spend half their lives dealing with those guys.  And their own governments.  It is not exactly a cushy job.  Requires some spine.

SP
On 2018-04-14 15:32, Alan Greenberg wrote:
In my mind, the real question is whether they are subject to any pressure from their own law enforcement and communications ministries. Alan

At 13/04/2018 07:15 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:

Hate to say I told you so. But its proof of my own estimation that the response was going to be a yawn.

I cannot understand why given the history and an competent understanding of how any bureaucracy, much less a Eurocrat one, defined in law and bounded by practice, would suddenly change their collective minds!

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On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 5:47 AM, Volker Greimann < vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:
As this may be somewhat relevant to the work we are doing, here is a link to the response of the Art. 29 WG to ICANNs letter:

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/jelinek-to-marby-11apr18-en.pdf
To be sure, there is nothing substantially new in here, it re-iterates positions that many have voiced towards ICANN for years now, but it does provide a clear overview of where ICANNs proposed interim model falls short, and what the constrants to tiered access would be. While some already interpret this as "whois is dead!", I would not go so far, but for certain uses - beneficial as they may be - that statement probably applies. In general, this seems to provide a solid basis for further work, but ICANN should not have wasted its time waiting for this response instead of continuing to refine their interim model with what everyone (but ICANN Org apparently) was already expecting.
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