RE: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism - 10-11 a.m. EST ON TUESDAY JUNE 29
Hello Elana, In case I can't make the call. Just a note that I support the current implementation by the registries as a good first stage. The new transfers policy is a vast improvement on what we have now. Currently there is no mechanism of redress when a registrar behaves inappropriately. Under the new policy we have: (1) a clearly defined process that is enforceable (2) a dispute resolution mechanism (3) a mechanism to restore the domain to the rightful registrar in the case of an unauthorised transfer (4) a process for regular review of the implementation of the policy I expect that as (1) becomes effective that (3) will hardly ever by needed. It is not economic to over-engineer an exception process (3) that if the system is working should never happen. I welcome the day when steps (2) and (3) can be used to correct in-appropriate behaviour. I welcome even more ICANN taking enforcement action against those registrars that are found in breach of the registrar agreement ie (1). The cost of dealing with the current system (in terms of the constant stream of registrant and reseller complaints) far outweighs any costs associated with a less than perfect (3), given that we will at least have (1) and (2). Regards, Bruce Tonkin
-----Original Message----- From: Elana Broitman [mailto:ebroitman@register.com] Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 12:25 AM To: registrars@dnso.org Cc: cgomes@verisign.com; dam@icann.org Subject: FW: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism - 10-11 a.m. EST ON TUESDAY JUNE 29 Importance: High
Dear all- as you will recall, on June 9th, I had sent a note about the registries' proposed undo mechanism. Below is my note, which outlined some of the concerns with the proposal. The registries state that this is the a reasonable proposal to enable them to launch an undo mechanism in the near term, so that further work on it does not stall a transfer policy change. They have requested our comments prior sending their final proposal to ICANN.
A number of you have raised concerns. The upcoming call is with registry representatives to the Transfer Advisory Group. ICANN is also invited. The call is an opportunity to directly ask the registries about this mechanism, express any concerns or suggestions, and/or signify agreement.
Given the length of time already spent on this issue, the registries would like to move this proposal (with any potential amendments that may come out of this call) forward to ICANN without any further vote or additional process after this call.
So, it is important for you to please join the call.
I apologize in advance to anyone for whom the time is inconvenient, but our last constituency call was in the evening in order to accommodate Asia, so this one is meant to be more friendly to Europe and W. U.S. If you cannot be on the call, but have comments, please send them ahead of time and we will raise them for you.
Thank you.
Elana Broitman
P.S. Bob - should we start with 30 lines?
-----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Elana Broitman Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:57 PM To: registrars@dnso.org Subject: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Dear all - one of the last remaining issues before ICANN can publish the changed transfers policy is how the registries will address the transfer undo mechanism. Attached is their proposal. Let's see if we can discuss it by email, and if need be, we can also hold a conference call.
As you will see, the registries have indicated that this is the least costly alternative for them to implement. It should be noted, however, that the proposed implementation of the "undo" transfer command may cause the following problems for registrars:
1. An undo transfer command that does not restore the domain record to its 'original state' will place the registrar that re-gains the name (Registrar A) in the position of having to support a registration for one or multiple years (depending on the number of years activated per transfer) without realizing revenue from the registrant. There may be added costs associated with maintaining the additional year(s) for such registrar - customer service, technology, etc.
2. This may also result in anniversary dates among domain names and related products that do not match. For example, email or hosting products that must be renewed prior to domain expiration, causing concerns and customer confusion. This may lead to unnecessary, customer unfriendly and costly "clean up" issues.
3. In effect, the innocent registrant may be prejudiced by the bad acts of the wrongful registrar. Yet, the "bad" actor does not bear the costs of restitution.
4. The registrant is forced to take on additional years even if he/she is not interested in doing so. The registrant will have paid a fee for the transfer to the gaining (unauthorized) registrar and perhaps unwittingly paid for additional years.
5. The registry is paid $6 for an unauthorized and unwanted transfer.
6. Maintaining additional years when the registrant does not want them would have the effect of artificially keeping a domain name out of the pool for other prospective registrants.
Your comments would be appreciated. Elana
-----Original Message----- From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:53 PM To: Elana Broitman Cc: gTLD RC Planning Committee (GTLD-PLANNING@MUSEDOMA.ORG); 'dam@icann.org' Subject: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Elana,
The gTLD Registry Constituency unanimously supports the attached approach to providing a transfer undo mechanism in support of the new transfer policy. I would like your advice with regard to how it might be best to discuss this with registrars. Some of us in the gTLD Registry Constituency had some telephone conversations with a few registrars with somewhat mixed results. A main issue of controversy among those we talked to was whether or not there should be a means of compensating a registrar for lost revenue opportunity. Because that is really an issue between registrars, it seemed best to suggest that registrars work that out among themselves as suggested in the proposed approach. To try to resolve that before moving forward with implementation of the new transfer policy would add significant additional delays that seem very undesirable.
Chuck Gomes VeriSign Com Net Registry
Dear all, As GMO definitly supports the new transfer pocily we do not support the undo transfer mechanism as it is now. In order to go ahead I would agree to go ahead with it if we have the insurance the undo mechanism would be improved in a short time after the implementation. I still don't understand why it's so difficult for the registries to remember the original dates of the domain and to put it back in the previous state. This undo mechanism will let each registrar to implement it's own rollback system which I see it as a real registry service instead. Regards, Jean-Michel Bruce Tonkin wrote:
Hello Elana,
In case I can't make the call.
Just a note that I support the current implementation by the registries as a good first stage.
The new transfers policy is a vast improvement on what we have now.
Currently there is no mechanism of redress when a registrar behaves inappropriately.
Under the new policy we have: (1) a clearly defined process that is enforceable (2) a dispute resolution mechanism (3) a mechanism to restore the domain to the rightful registrar in the case of an unauthorised transfer (4) a process for regular review of the implementation of the policy
I expect that as (1) becomes effective that (3) will hardly ever by needed. It is not economic to over-engineer an exception process (3) that if the system is working should never happen.
I welcome the day when steps (2) and (3) can be used to correct in-appropriate behaviour. I welcome even more ICANN taking enforcement action against those registrars that are found in breach of the registrar agreement ie (1).
The cost of dealing with the current system (in terms of the constant stream of registrant and reseller complaints) far outweighs any costs associated with a less than perfect (3), given that we will at least have (1) and (2).
Regards, Bruce Tonkin
-----Original Message----- From: Elana Broitman [mailto:ebroitman@register.com] Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 12:25 AM To: registrars@dnso.org Cc: cgomes@verisign.com; dam@icann.org Subject: FW: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism - 10-11 a.m. EST ON TUESDAY JUNE 29 Importance: High
Dear all- as you will recall, on June 9th, I had sent a note about the registries' proposed undo mechanism. Below is my note, which outlined some of the concerns with the proposal. The registries state that this is the a reasonable proposal to enable them to launch an undo mechanism in the near term, so that further work on it does not stall a transfer policy change. They have requested our comments prior sending their final proposal to ICANN.
A number of you have raised concerns. The upcoming call is with registry representatives to the Transfer Advisory Group. ICANN is also invited. The call is an opportunity to directly ask the registries about this mechanism, express any concerns or suggestions, and/or signify agreement.
Given the length of time already spent on this issue, the registries would like to move this proposal (with any potential amendments that may come out of this call) forward to ICANN without any further vote or additional process after this call.
So, it is important for you to please join the call.
I apologize in advance to anyone for whom the time is inconvenient, but our last constituency call was in the evening in order to accommodate Asia, so this one is meant to be more friendly to Europe and W. U.S. If you cannot be on the call, but have comments, please send them ahead of time and we will raise them for you.
Thank you.
Elana Broitman
P.S. Bob - should we start with 30 lines?
-----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Elana Broitman Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:57 PM To: registrars@dnso.org Subject: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Dear all - one of the last remaining issues before ICANN can publish the changed transfers policy is how the registries will address the transfer undo mechanism. Attached is their proposal. Let's see if we can discuss it by email, and if need be, we can also hold a conference call.
As you will see, the registries have indicated that this is the least costly alternative for them to implement. It should be noted, however, that the proposed implementation of the "undo" transfer command may cause the following problems for registrars:
1. An undo transfer command that does not restore the domain record to its 'original state' will place the registrar that re-gains the name (Registrar A) in the position of having to support a registration for one or multiple years (depending on the number of years activated per transfer) without realizing revenue from the registrant. There may be added costs associated with maintaining the additional year(s) for such registrar - customer service, technology, etc.
2. This may also result in anniversary dates among domain names and related products that do not match. For example, email or hosting products that must be renewed prior to domain expiration, causing concerns and customer confusion. This may lead to unnecessary, customer unfriendly and costly "clean up" issues.
3. In effect, the innocent registrant may be prejudiced by the bad acts of the wrongful registrar. Yet, the "bad" actor does not bear the costs of restitution.
4. The registrant is forced to take on additional years even if he/she is not interested in doing so. The registrant will have paid a fee for the transfer to the gaining (unauthorized) registrar and perhaps unwittingly paid for additional years.
5. The registry is paid $6 for an unauthorized and unwanted transfer.
6. Maintaining additional years when the registrant does not want them would have the effect of artificially keeping a domain name out of the pool for other prospective registrants.
Your comments would be appreciated. Elana
-----Original Message----- From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:53 PM To: Elana Broitman Cc: gTLD RC Planning Committee (GTLD-PLANNING@MUSEDOMA.ORG); 'dam@icann.org' Subject: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Elana,
The gTLD Registry Constituency unanimously supports the attached approach to providing a transfer undo mechanism in support of the new transfer policy. I would like your advice with regard to how it might be best to discuss this with registrars. Some of us in the gTLD Registry Constituency had some telephone conversations with a few registrars with somewhat mixed results. A main issue of controversy among those we talked to was whether or not there should be a means of compensating a registrar for lost revenue opportunity. Because that is really an issue between registrars, it seemed best to suggest that registrars work that out among themselves as suggested in the proposed approach. To try to resolve that before moving forward with implementation of the new transfer policy would add significant additional delays that seem very undesirable.
Chuck Gomes VeriSign Com Net Registry
joker.com supports GMO Respectfully Siegfried Langenbach Computer Service Langenbach GmbH (CSL GmbH) GERMANY On 25 Jun 2004 at 11:36, Jean-Michel Becar wrote: Date sent: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:36:21 +0900 From: Jean-Michel Becar <jmbecar@gmo.jp> Organization: Global Media Online INC. Tokyo - Japan To: registrars@dnso.org Subject: Re: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism - 10-11 a.m. EST ON TUESDAY JUNE 29
Dear all,
As GMO definitly supports the new transfer pocily we do not support the undo transfer mechanism as it is now. In order to go ahead I would agree to go ahead with it if we have the insurance the undo mechanism would be improved in a short time after the implementation. I still don't understand why it's so difficult for the registries to remember the original dates of the domain and to put it back in the previous state. This undo mechanism will let each registrar to implement it's own rollback system which I see it as a real registry service instead. Regards, Jean-Michel
Bruce Tonkin wrote:
Hello Elana,
In case I can't make the call.
Just a note that I support the current implementation by the registries as a good first stage.
The new transfers policy is a vast improvement on what we have now.
Currently there is no mechanism of redress when a registrar behaves inappropriately.
Under the new policy we have: (1) a clearly defined process that is enforceable (2) a dispute resolution mechanism (3) a mechanism to restore the domain to the rightful registrar in the case of an unauthorised transfer (4) a process for regular review of the implementation of the policy
I expect that as (1) becomes effective that (3) will hardly ever by needed. It is not economic to over-engineer an exception process (3) that if the system is working should never happen.
I welcome the day when steps (2) and (3) can be used to correct in-appropriate behaviour. I welcome even more ICANN taking enforcement action against those registrars that are found in breach of the registrar agreement ie (1).
The cost of dealing with the current system (in terms of the constant stream of registrant and reseller complaints) far outweighs any costs associated with a less than perfect (3), given that we will at least have (1) and (2).
Regards, Bruce Tonkin
-----Original Message----- From: Elana Broitman [mailto:ebroitman@register.com] Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 12:25 AM To: registrars@dnso.org Cc: cgomes@verisign.com; dam@icann.org Subject: FW: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism - 10-11 a.m. EST ON TUESDAY JUNE 29 Importance: High
Dear all- as you will recall, on June 9th, I had sent a note about the registries' proposed undo mechanism. Below is my note, which outlined some of the concerns with the proposal. The registries state that this is the a reasonable proposal to enable them to launch an undo mechanism in the near term, so that further work on it does not stall a transfer policy change. They have requested our comments prior sending their final proposal to ICANN.
A number of you have raised concerns. The upcoming call is with registry representatives to the Transfer Advisory Group. ICANN is also invited. The call is an opportunity to directly ask the registries about this mechanism, express any concerns or suggestions, and/or signify agreement.
Given the length of time already spent on this issue, the registries would like to move this proposal (with any potential amendments that may come out of this call) forward to ICANN without any further vote or additional process after this call.
So, it is important for you to please join the call.
I apologize in advance to anyone for whom the time is inconvenient, but our last constituency call was in the evening in order to accommodate Asia, so this one is meant to be more friendly to Europe and W. U.S. If you cannot be on the call, but have comments, please send them ahead of time and we will raise them for you.
Thank you.
Elana Broitman
P.S. Bob - should we start with 30 lines?
-----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Elana Broitman Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:57 PM To: registrars@dnso.org Subject: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Dear all - one of the last remaining issues before ICANN can publish the changed transfers policy is how the registries will address the transfer undo mechanism. Attached is their proposal. Let's see if we can discuss it by email, and if need be, we can also hold a conference call.
As you will see, the registries have indicated that this is the least costly alternative for them to implement. It should be noted, however, that the proposed implementation of the "undo" transfer command may cause the following problems for registrars:
1. An undo transfer command that does not restore the domain record to its 'original state' will place the registrar that re-gains the name (Registrar A) in the position of having to support a registration for one or multiple years (depending on the number of years activated per transfer) without realizing revenue from the registrant. There may be added costs associated with maintaining the additional year(s) for such registrar - customer service, technology, etc.
2. This may also result in anniversary dates among domain names and related products that do not match. For example, email or hosting products that must be renewed prior to domain expiration, causing concerns and customer confusion. This may lead to unnecessary, customer unfriendly and costly "clean up" issues.
3. In effect, the innocent registrant may be prejudiced by the bad acts of the wrongful registrar. Yet, the "bad" actor does not bear the costs of restitution.
4. The registrant is forced to take on additional years even if he/she is not interested in doing so. The registrant will have paid a fee for the transfer to the gaining (unauthorized) registrar and perhaps unwittingly paid for additional years.
5. The registry is paid $6 for an unauthorized and unwanted transfer.
6. Maintaining additional years when the registrant does not want them would have the effect of artificially keeping a domain name out of the pool for other prospective registrants.
Your comments would be appreciated. Elana
-----Original Message----- From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:53 PM To: Elana Broitman Cc: gTLD RC Planning Committee (GTLD-PLANNING@MUSEDOMA.ORG); 'dam@icann.org' Subject: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Elana,
The gTLD Registry Constituency unanimously supports the attached approach to providing a transfer undo mechanism in support of the new transfer policy. I would like your advice with regard to how it might be best to discuss this with registrars. Some of us in the gTLD Registry Constituency had some telephone conversations with a few registrars with somewhat mixed results. A main issue of controversy among those we talked to was whether or not there should be a means of compensating a registrar for lost revenue opportunity. Because that is really an issue between registrars, it seemed best to suggest that registrars work that out among themselves as suggested in the proposed approach. To try to resolve that before moving forward with implementation of the new transfer policy would add significant additional delays that seem very undesirable.
Chuck Gomes VeriSign Com Net Registry
Hello, since I will definitely not be able to join the call next week I take my shot now. I agree with Bruce that the proposed undo policy is a good first step and that this issue should not delay the overall implementatin of the new transfer policy. I nevertheless have to disagree regarding the over-engineering part. Even thought that this situation is unlikely to occur (and this needs to be proofen in the future) the technical implementation should be as clean and customer friendly as possible. After all would you burden your customer with such an process I really doubt it. Don't you think that we can expect the same amount of service from our suppliers as our customers expect from us? Best, tom Am 25.06.2004 schrieb Bruce Tonkin:
Hello Elana,
In case I can't make the call.
Just a note that I support the current implementation by the registries as a good first stage.
The new transfers policy is a vast improvement on what we have now.
Currently there is no mechanism of redress when a registrar behaves inappropriately.
Under the new policy we have: (1) a clearly defined process that is enforceable (2) a dispute resolution mechanism (3) a mechanism to restore the domain to the rightful registrar in the case of an unauthorised transfer (4) a process for regular review of the implementation of the policy
I expect that as (1) becomes effective that (3) will hardly ever by needed. It is not economic to over-engineer an exception process (3) that if the system is working should never happen.
I welcome the day when steps (2) and (3) can be used to correct in-appropriate behaviour. I welcome even more ICANN taking enforcement action against those registrars that are found in breach of the registrar agreement ie (1).
The cost of dealing with the current system (in terms of the constant stream of registrant and reseller complaints) far outweighs any costs associated with a less than perfect (3), given that we will at least have (1) and (2).
Regards, Bruce Tonkin
-----Original Message----- From: Elana Broitman [mailto:ebroitman@register.com] Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 12:25 AM To: registrars@dnso.org Cc: cgomes@verisign.com; dam@icann.org Subject: FW: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism - 10-11 a.m. EST ON TUESDAY JUNE 29 Importance: High
Dear all- as you will recall, on June 9th, I had sent a note about the registries' proposed undo mechanism. Below is my note, which outlined some of the concerns with the proposal. The registries state that this is the a reasonable proposal to enable them to launch an undo mechanism in the near term, so that further work on it does not stall a transfer policy change. They have requested our comments prior sending their final proposal to ICANN.
A number of you have raised concerns. The upcoming call is with registry representatives to the Transfer Advisory Group. ICANN is also invited. The call is an opportunity to directly ask the registries about this mechanism, express any concerns or suggestions, and/or signify agreement.
Given the length of time already spent on this issue, the registries would like to move this proposal (with any potential amendments that may come out of this call) forward to ICANN without any further vote or additional process after this call.
So, it is important for you to please join the call.
I apologize in advance to anyone for whom the time is inconvenient, but our last constituency call was in the evening in order to accommodate Asia, so this one is meant to be more friendly to Europe and W. U.S. If you cannot be on the call, but have comments, please send them ahead of time and we will raise them for you.
Thank you.
Elana Broitman
P.S. Bob - should we start with 30 lines?
-----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Elana Broitman Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:57 PM To: registrars@dnso.org Subject: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Dear all - one of the last remaining issues before ICANN can publish the changed transfers policy is how the registries will address the transfer undo mechanism. Attached is their proposal. Let's see if we can discuss it by email, and if need be, we can also hold a conference call.
As you will see, the registries have indicated that this is the least costly alternative for them to implement. It should be noted, however, that the proposed implementation of the "undo" transfer command may cause the following problems for registrars:
1. An undo transfer command that does not restore the domain record to its 'original state' will place the registrar that re-gains the name (Registrar A) in the position of having to support a registration for one or multiple years (depending on the number of years activated per transfer) without realizing revenue from the registrant. There may be added costs associated with maintaining the additional year(s) for such registrar - customer service, technology, etc.
2. This may also result in anniversary dates among domain names and related products that do not match. For example, email or hosting products that must be renewed prior to domain expiration, causing concerns and customer confusion. This may lead to unnecessary, customer unfriendly and costly "clean up" issues.
3. In effect, the innocent registrant may be prejudiced by the bad acts of the wrongful registrar. Yet, the "bad" actor does not bear the costs of restitution.
4. The registrant is forced to take on additional years even if he/she is not interested in doing so. The registrant will have paid a fee for the transfer to the gaining (unauthorized) registrar and perhaps unwittingly paid for additional years.
5. The registry is paid $6 for an unauthorized and unwanted transfer.
6. Maintaining additional years when the registrant does not want them would have the effect of artificially keeping a domain name out of the pool for other prospective registrants.
Your comments would be appreciated. Elana
-----Original Message----- From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:53 PM To: Elana Broitman Cc: gTLD RC Planning Committee (GTLD-PLANNING@MUSEDOMA.ORG); 'dam@icann.org' Subject: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Elana,
The gTLD Registry Constituency unanimously supports the attached approach to providing a transfer undo mechanism in support of the new transfer policy. I would like your advice with regard to how it might be best to discuss this with registrars. Some of us in the gTLD Registry Constituency had some telephone conversations with a few registrars with somewhat mixed results. A main issue of controversy among those we talked to was whether or not there should be a means of compensating a registrar for lost revenue opportunity. Because that is really an issue between registrars, it seemed best to suggest that registrars work that out among themselves as suggested in the proposed approach. To try to resolve that before moving forward with implementation of the new transfer policy would add significant additional delays that seem very undesirable.
Chuck Gomes VeriSign Com Net Registry
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It seems that there is some confusion about my actual message. To make it short my message in on sentence is: Let's implement the policy as it is proposed as soon as possible but schedule a review of the undo procedure in the near future. Best, tom Am 25.06.2004 schrieb Thomas Keller:
Hello,
since I will definitely not be able to join the call next week I take my shot now.
I agree with Bruce that the proposed undo policy is a good first step and that this issue should not delay the overall implementatin of the new transfer policy. I nevertheless have to disagree regarding the over-engineering part. Even thought that this situation is unlikely to occur (and this needs to be proofen in the future) the technical implementation should be as clean and customer friendly as possible. After all would you burden your customer with such an process I really doubt it. Don't you think that we can expect the same amount of service from our suppliers as our customers expect from us?
Best,
tom
Am 25.06.2004 schrieb Bruce Tonkin:
Hello Elana,
In case I can't make the call.
Just a note that I support the current implementation by the registries as a good first stage.
The new transfers policy is a vast improvement on what we have now.
Currently there is no mechanism of redress when a registrar behaves inappropriately.
Under the new policy we have: (1) a clearly defined process that is enforceable (2) a dispute resolution mechanism (3) a mechanism to restore the domain to the rightful registrar in the case of an unauthorised transfer (4) a process for regular review of the implementation of the policy
I expect that as (1) becomes effective that (3) will hardly ever by needed. It is not economic to over-engineer an exception process (3) that if the system is working should never happen.
I welcome the day when steps (2) and (3) can be used to correct in-appropriate behaviour. I welcome even more ICANN taking enforcement action against those registrars that are found in breach of the registrar agreement ie (1).
The cost of dealing with the current system (in terms of the constant stream of registrant and reseller complaints) far outweighs any costs associated with a less than perfect (3), given that we will at least have (1) and (2).
Regards, Bruce Tonkin
-----Original Message----- From: Elana Broitman [mailto:ebroitman@register.com] Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 12:25 AM To: registrars@dnso.org Cc: cgomes@verisign.com; dam@icann.org Subject: FW: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism - 10-11 a.m. EST ON TUESDAY JUNE 29 Importance: High
Dear all- as you will recall, on June 9th, I had sent a note about the registries' proposed undo mechanism. Below is my note, which outlined some of the concerns with the proposal. The registries state that this is the a reasonable proposal to enable them to launch an undo mechanism in the near term, so that further work on it does not stall a transfer policy change. They have requested our comments prior sending their final proposal to ICANN.
A number of you have raised concerns. The upcoming call is with registry representatives to the Transfer Advisory Group. ICANN is also invited. The call is an opportunity to directly ask the registries about this mechanism, express any concerns or suggestions, and/or signify agreement.
Given the length of time already spent on this issue, the registries would like to move this proposal (with any potential amendments that may come out of this call) forward to ICANN without any further vote or additional process after this call.
So, it is important for you to please join the call.
I apologize in advance to anyone for whom the time is inconvenient, but our last constituency call was in the evening in order to accommodate Asia, so this one is meant to be more friendly to Europe and W. U.S. If you cannot be on the call, but have comments, please send them ahead of time and we will raise them for you.
Thank you.
Elana Broitman
P.S. Bob - should we start with 30 lines?
-----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Elana Broitman Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:57 PM To: registrars@dnso.org Subject: [registrars] FW: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Dear all - one of the last remaining issues before ICANN can publish the changed transfers policy is how the registries will address the transfer undo mechanism. Attached is their proposal. Let's see if we can discuss it by email, and if need be, we can also hold a conference call.
As you will see, the registries have indicated that this is the least costly alternative for them to implement. It should be noted, however, that the proposed implementation of the "undo" transfer command may cause the following problems for registrars:
1. An undo transfer command that does not restore the domain record to its 'original state' will place the registrar that re-gains the name (Registrar A) in the position of having to support a registration for one or multiple years (depending on the number of years activated per transfer) without realizing revenue from the registrant. There may be added costs associated with maintaining the additional year(s) for such registrar - customer service, technology, etc.
2. This may also result in anniversary dates among domain names and related products that do not match. For example, email or hosting products that must be renewed prior to domain expiration, causing concerns and customer confusion. This may lead to unnecessary, customer unfriendly and costly "clean up" issues.
3. In effect, the innocent registrant may be prejudiced by the bad acts of the wrongful registrar. Yet, the "bad" actor does not bear the costs of restitution.
4. The registrant is forced to take on additional years even if he/she is not interested in doing so. The registrant will have paid a fee for the transfer to the gaining (unauthorized) registrar and perhaps unwittingly paid for additional years.
5. The registry is paid $6 for an unauthorized and unwanted transfer.
6. Maintaining additional years when the registrant does not want them would have the effect of artificially keeping a domain name out of the pool for other prospective registrants.
Your comments would be appreciated. Elana
-----Original Message----- From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:53 PM To: Elana Broitman Cc: gTLD RC Planning Committee (GTLD-PLANNING@MUSEDOMA.ORG); 'dam@icann.org' Subject: Transfer Undo Mechanism Importance: High
Elana,
The gTLD Registry Constituency unanimously supports the attached approach to providing a transfer undo mechanism in support of the new transfer policy. I would like your advice with regard to how it might be best to discuss this with registrars. Some of us in the gTLD Registry Constituency had some telephone conversations with a few registrars with somewhat mixed results. A main issue of controversy among those we talked to was whether or not there should be a means of compensating a registrar for lost revenue opportunity. Because that is really an issue between registrars, it seemed best to suggest that registrars work that out among themselves as suggested in the proposed approach. To try to resolve that before moving forward with implementation of the new transfer policy would add significant additional delays that seem very undesirable.
Chuck Gomes VeriSign Com Net Registry
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