Re: [registrars] Dues Structure
Jon, Thanks for gathering the proposals for comment. The benefits of an RC membership are equal regardless of the size of the registrar or how much money they make. With that in mind, it is only fair that all registrars should pay the same equal amount. As for keeping the annual dues low, it would be a good idea to update the outdated RC website and send the URL to all registrars, along with an invitation to join the mailing list. I wonder how many registrars are not aware of the RC, or perhaps aware of the RC but not of its benefits. By informing more registrars, we'd get more memberships and in turn a lower per registrar fee, not to mention a larger and more unified group. I also feel that the RC should offer pro-rated fees for registrars joining part way through the year. For some perspective, Domain-It has been registering domains since 1996, accredited since 2000, on the RC mailing list since 2002, but we only became an official RC member last year. Just for insight into our experience, nobody clearly explained the benefits of the RC, or approached us for dues. Of the few occasions we approached the RC to pay dues, twice it was at year end and we would have been required to pay the full amount ($750) for just a month or two of membership, and another time, the RC was not able to take our payment. Does anyone have the figures on how many registrars are eligible to join the RC and how many of those are actually members, or more to the point, not members? That would give us an idea of how much outreach is needed. FYI, according to Paul Westley in Jan '04 (RC treasurer at the time) there were ~50 official RC members, out of ~150 accredited registrars. Here are the points I covered and feel should be implemented: - Update RC website and inform ALL registrars of the RC site and mailing list - Charge all registrars an equal membership fee for equal benefits - Provide invoices and an easy way for registrars to pay membership fees - Allow pro-rated membership fees for new members joining mid year I also agree that retaining a part time staff person to coordinate the above and other tasks is a great idea. Regards, Paul Goldstone President and CEO Domain-It, Inc. http://www.domainit.com At 12:09 PM 7/30/2007, Nevett, Jonathon wrote:
Thanks all for the helpful and constructive discussion. As you can tell, there are no easy answers to this issue. In an effort to frame the debate and to do an informal straw poll, let me make a few points and ask a question:
First, the question has come up about the benefits of membership to the Registrar Constituency (RC). A number of members recently have raised the economic decision Richard Lau discussed in his posting. Why should a registrar pay dues vs. enjoying many of the benefits of membership without paying? For those of you who were not at the San Juan meeting, we are trying to address this free rider issue in a number of ways, and believe that the following more than justifies an investment of $250 per year.
Current Benefits of RC Membership Not Available to Non-Members Ability to vote in elections and on motions, the budget, issue statements, etc. Ability to represent the RC as an officer, on the GNSO Council, the Nominating Committee, or various task forces and working groups Ability to attend closed sessions of RC meetings Ability to sit at the table at the RC meetings with better access to the limited microphones and power strips (new) Ability to post and receive e-mails on the member-only list that we are creating (new) Ability to receive access to a list archives that are organized and searchable (proposed)
Second, I support fully the efforts to retain a part time professional staff person to support the constituency. This is a very important time for registrars as we are at a period during which we likely will see changes to our contract with ICANN for the first time in six years, structural changes to ICANN itself, as well as structural changes to the GNSO impacting our role in the policy development process. We need to be out in front of these issues and other policy issues that are being discussed. A proactive RC is much more effective than just a reactive one. I havent heard much in the way of objection to the proposal to retain such a staff person either during our discussion in San Juan or subsequently on the list, so for purposes of this note I will assume it is supported as long as we can work out the financing.
Finally, the issue then is how we pay for the additional services. I absolutely agree with Marcus that the constituencies should receive some support from ICANN, so my hope is that this is a short term issue. Just like Rob and Bob described, the dues were $750 at some point in the past and then were reduced when the need no longer existed to have them at that level. I hope the same will be true through due to support from ICANN. Until such a time, however, we need to work out an equitable solution to address the shortfall. In the budget, we proposed a fixed rate with an ability to seek forgiveness, but are open to other options if the membership prefers. Here are the options I have seen thus far.
* Fixed dues without forgiveness about $650 per member. Everyone treated equally, but we might lose members who cant afford the dues. * Fixed dues with forgiveness current proposal $750 per member with ability to seek reduction to $250 based on need. * Fixed dues with a collections plate (Connelly Proposal) registrars that can afford it donate additional amounts to the RC, but no additional benefits for donating. * Tiered dues based on domain names under management (Barrett Proposal) large registrars must pay more based on size, but no additional benefits for paying more. * Tiered dues based on registrar choice (Lau Proposal) maybe one tier at $1250 and another at $250 all registrars have an equal right to choose between Gold and Silver membership levels, but the Gold level members receive additional benefits in addition to the ones enumerated above (this may require changes to the Bylaws depending on what incentives to join the Gold level are included -- e.g. weighted voting).
I apologize if I mischaracterized or missed any of the proposals, but it would be helpful if folks let us know which of the 5 options they would support (maybe more than one).
Thanks.
Jon
I think that Paul makes a number of important and helpful points below. The consensus of the ExCom was to have an equal dues structure to avoid all of the issues related to a multi-tiered structure based on registrar size or uneven benefits that folks have raised over the past few days. The one distinction between what Paul has written and what we have in the current proposal is a limited ability for a member to seek a fee reduction based on need. We envisioned using this to encourage new members and to keep a few members that really can't afford the extra $500. It is not intended for registrars who just don't want to pay the extra $500. As Tom Barrett suggested, we don't expect too many applications for fee reductions. But it's nice to have some flexibility in case of extenuating circumstances. As Bob suggested in his recent post, I think those members that seek a reduction should remain confidential (similar to the system that ICANN employees with its fee forgiveness). In my opinion, however, the information needs to be kept confidential by the four officers (and by the staff member who monitors the account) and not just by the Treasurer in that the fee reduction should be authorized by a majority vote of the officers voting, not just by a unilateral decision of the Treasurer. With dues at $750, pro-ration definitely makes sense for new members. Finally, invoicing dues and payment went much better last year than in prior years. We hope to continue that improvement this year after a budget is approved. Paul also raises a good point about increasing membership. Our membership has grown 20% YoY in the past fiscal year. Had it not, the current dues proposal would probably be in the $900-$1,000 range. With that said, we could do better. I attended the most recent ICANN regional gathering and spoke with 5-7 solid prospective members. Hopefully, that should help bring in some members and reduce fees in future years. Also, with ICANN's new RADAR database, it should help our ability to reach out to more prospective members. I also agree with Paul that the website has been in need of improvement for many years. I'd like to have a simple site that contains our key documents, contact information, a way to pay dues, and the e-mail archive that only is available to members. Dan Warner and Rob Hall are working on developing that capability. I finally want to make a point about the $750 this year. As you probably know, the ICANN Board has approved a process for changes to the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) that includes a specific role for consultations between ICANN and the Registrar Constituency http://www.icann.org/minutes/resolutions-29jun07.htm#k. Thus, this year we are charged with negotiating changes to the RAA on behalf of every ICANN-accredited registrar. How much would each member incur in legal fees and internal resources in individually negotiating a contract with ICANN? In my mind, $750 would be quite reasonable to have a group negotiate a contract on my behalf and enable me to have direct input on the negotiation process and the substance of the agreement if I want it. This process, of course, will be in addition to the ICANN public comment period. Also, we envision using the newly created member-only list for most of the internal discussions related to the RAA. This benefit of membership, of course, is on top of all the other benefits that we have discussed earlier in the week. I hope folks agree that even at $750, the RC is a worthwhile membership and will support the budget proposed. Thanks. Jon ________________________________ From: Paul Goldstone [mailto:paulg@domainit.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:24 AM To: Nevett, Jonathon Cc: Registrar Constituency Subject: Re: [registrars] Dues Structure Jon, Thanks for gathering the proposals for comment. The benefits of an RC membership are equal regardless of the size of the registrar or how much money they make. With that in mind, it is only fair that all registrars should pay the same equal amount. As for keeping the annual dues low, it would be a good idea to update the outdated RC website and send the URL to all registrars, along with an invitation to join the mailing list. I wonder how many registrars are not aware of the RC, or perhaps aware of the RC but not of its benefits. By informing more registrars, we'd get more memberships and in turn a lower per registrar fee, not to mention a larger and more unified group. I also feel that the RC should offer pro-rated fees for registrars joining part way through the year. For some perspective, Domain-It has been registering domains since 1996, accredited since 2000, on the RC mailing list since 2002, but we only became an official RC member last year. Just for insight into our experience, nobody clearly explained the benefits of the RC, or approached us for dues. Of the few occasions we approached the RC to pay dues, twice it was at year end and we would have been required to pay the full amount ($750) for just a month or two of membership, and another time, the RC was not able to take our payment. Does anyone have the figures on how many registrars are eligible to join the RC and how many of those are actually members, or more to the point, not members? That would give us an idea of how much outreach is needed. FYI, according to Paul Westley in Jan '04 (RC treasurer at the time) there were ~50 official RC members, out of ~150 accredited registrars. Here are the points I covered and feel should be implemented: - Update RC website and inform ALL registrars of the RC site and mailing list - Charge all registrars an equal membership fee for equal benefits - Provide invoices and an easy way for registrars to pay membership fees - Allow pro-rated membership fees for new members joining mid year I also agree that retaining a part time staff person to coordinate the above and other tasks is a great idea. Regards, Paul Goldstone President and CEO Domain-It, Inc. http://www.domainit.com <http://www.domainit.com/> At 12:09 PM 7/30/2007, Nevett, Jonathon wrote: Thanks all for the helpful and constructive discussion. As you can tell, there are no easy answers to this issue. In an effort to frame the debate and to do an informal straw poll, let me make a few points and ask a question: First, the question has come up about the benefits of membership to the Registrar Constituency ("RC"). A number of members recently have raised the economic decision Richard Lau discussed in his posting. Why should a registrar pay dues vs. enjoying many of the benefits of membership without paying? For those of you who were not at the San Juan meeting, we are trying to address this "free rider" issue in a number of ways, and believe that the following more than justifies an investment of $250 per year. Current Benefits of RC Membership Not Available to Non-Members Ability to vote in elections and on motions, the budget, issue statements, etc. Ability to represent the RC as an officer, on the GNSO Council, the Nominating Committee, or various task forces and working groups Ability to attend closed sessions of RC meetings Ability to sit at the table at the RC meetings with better access to the limited microphones and power strips (new) Ability to post and receive e-mails on the member-only list that we are creating (new) Ability to receive access to a list archives that are organized and searchable (proposed) Second, I support fully the efforts to retain a part time professional staff person to support the constituency. This is a very important time for registrars as we are at a period during which we likely will see changes to our contract with ICANN for the first time in six years, structural changes to ICANN itself, as well as structural changes to the GNSO impacting our role in the policy development process. We need to be out in front of these issues and other policy issues that are being discussed. A proactive RC is much more effective than just a reactive one. I haven't heard much in the way of objection to the proposal to retain such a staff person either during our discussion in San Juan or subsequently on the list, so for purposes of this note I will assume it is supported as long as we can work out the financing. Finally, the issue then is how we pay for the additional services. I absolutely agree with Marcus that the constituencies should receive some support from ICANN, so my hope is that this is a short term issue. Just like Rob and Bob described, the dues were $750 at some point in the past and then were reduced when the need no longer existed to have them at that level. I hope the same will be true through due to support from ICANN. Until such a time, however, we need to work out an equitable solution to address the shortfall. In the budget, we proposed a fixed rate with an ability to seek forgiveness, but are open to other options if the membership prefers. Here are the options I have seen thus far. 1. Fixed dues without forgiveness - about $650 per member. Everyone treated equally, but we might lose members who can't afford the dues. 2. Fixed dues with forgiveness - current proposal - $750 per member with ability to seek reduction to $250 based on need. 3. Fixed dues with a collections plate (Connelly Proposal) - registrars that can afford it donate additional amounts to the RC, but no additional benefits for donating. 4. Tiered dues based on domain names under management (Barrett Proposal) - large registrars must pay more based on size, but no additional benefits for paying more. 5. Tiered dues based on registrar choice (Lau Proposal) - maybe one tier at $1250 and another at $250 - all registrars have an equal right to choose between Gold and Silver membership levels, but the Gold level members receive additional benefits in addition to the ones enumerated above (this may require changes to the Bylaws depending on what incentives to join the Gold level are included -- e.g. weighted voting). I apologize if I mischaracterized or missed any of the proposals, but it would be helpful if folks let us know which of the 5 options they would support (maybe more than one). Thanks. Jon
Jon, Thanks for taking the time and summarizing the recent email messages regarding the issue. I support the proposal below for the proposed fee of $750 and the need for confidentialiaty in fee reductions and the full ex-com to abide by that confidentiality. One more note is that I think as a group that sells domains and websites as our business we really need a website to sell ourselves to new members. I know work is being done, and it should be considered urgent if we intend to raise our membership My two cents Thanks Jeff ________________________________ From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Nevett, Jonathon Sent: Tue 7/31/2007 3:39 PM To: Paul Goldstone; Registrar Constituency Subject: RE: [registrars] Dues Structure I think that Paul makes a number of important and helpful points below. The consensus of the ExCom was to have an equal dues structure to avoid all of the issues related to a multi-tiered structure based on registrar size or uneven benefits that folks have raised over the past few days. The one distinction between what Paul has written and what we have in the current proposal is a limited ability for a member to seek a fee reduction based on need. We envisioned using this to encourage new members and to keep a few members that really can't afford the extra $500. It is not intended for registrars who just don't want to pay the extra $500. As Tom Barrett suggested, we don't expect too many applications for fee reductions. But it's nice to have some flexibility in case of extenuating circumstances. As Bob suggested in his recent post, I think those members that seek a reduction should remain confidential (similar to the system that ICANN employees with its fee forgiveness). In my opinion, however, the information needs to be kept confidential by the four officers (and by the staff member who monitors the account) and not just by the Treasurer in that the fee reduction should be authorized by a majority vote of the officers voting, not just by a unilateral decision of the Treasurer. With dues at $750, pro-ration definitely makes sense for new members. Finally, invoicing dues and payment went much better last year than in prior years. We hope to continue that improvement this year after a budget is approved. Paul also raises a good point about increasing membership. Our membership has grown 20% YoY in the past fiscal year. Had it not, the current dues proposal would probably be in the $900-$1,000 range. With that said, we could do better. I attended the most recent ICANN regional gathering and spoke with 5-7 solid prospective members. Hopefully, that should help bring in some members and reduce fees in future years. Also, with ICANN's new RADAR database, it should help our ability to reach out to more prospective members. I also agree with Paul that the website has been in need of improvement for many years. I'd like to have a simple site that contains our key documents, contact information, a way to pay dues, and the e-mail archive that only is available to members. Dan Warner and Rob Hall are working on developing that capability. I finally want to make a point about the $750 this year. As you probably know, the ICANN Board has approved a process for changes to the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) that includes a specific role for consultations between ICANN and the Registrar Constituency http://www.icann.org/minutes/resolutions-29jun07.htm#k. Thus, this year we are charged with negotiating changes to the RAA on behalf of every ICANN-accredited registrar. How much would each member incur in legal fees and internal resources in individually negotiating a contract with ICANN? In my mind, $750 would be quite reasonable to have a group negotiate a contract on my behalf and enable me to have direct input on the negotiation process and the substance of the agreement if I want it. This process, of course, will be in addition to the ICANN public comment period. Also, we envision using the newly created member-only list for most of the internal discussions related to the RAA. This benefit of membership, of course, is on top of all the other benefits that we have discussed earlier in the week. I hope folks agree that even at $750, the RC is a worthwhile membership and will support the budget proposed. Thanks. Jon ________________________________ From: Paul Goldstone [mailto:paulg@domainit.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:24 AM To: Nevett, Jonathon Cc: Registrar Constituency Subject: Re: [registrars] Dues Structure Jon, Thanks for gathering the proposals for comment. The benefits of an RC membership are equal regardless of the size of the registrar or how much money they make. With that in mind, it is only fair that all registrars should pay the same equal amount. As for keeping the annual dues low, it would be a good idea to update the outdated RC website and send the URL to all registrars, along with an invitation to join the mailing list. I wonder how many registrars are not aware of the RC, or perhaps aware of the RC but not of its benefits. By informing more registrars, we'd get more memberships and in turn a lower per registrar fee, not to mention a larger and more unified group. I also feel that the RC should offer pro-rated fees for registrars joining part way through the year. For some perspective, Domain-It has been registering domains since 1996, accredited since 2000, on the RC mailing list since 2002, but we only became an official RC member last year. Just for insight into our experience, nobody clearly explained the benefits of the RC, or approached us for dues. Of the few occasions we approached the RC to pay dues, twice it was at year end and we would have been required to pay the full amount ($750) for just a month or two of membership, and another time, the RC was not able to take our payment. Does anyone have the figures on how many registrars are eligible to join the RC and how many of those are actually members, or more to the point, not members? That would give us an idea of how much outreach is needed. FYI, according to Paul Westley in Jan '04 (RC treasurer at the time) there were ~50 official RC members, out of ~150 accredited registrars. Here are the points I covered and feel should be implemented: - Update RC website and inform ALL registrars of the RC site and mailing list - Charge all registrars an equal membership fee for equal benefits - Provide invoices and an easy way for registrars to pay membership fees - Allow pro-rated membership fees for new members joining mid year I also agree that retaining a part time staff person to coordinate the above and other tasks is a great idea. Regards, Paul Goldstone President and CEO Domain-It, Inc. http://www.domainit.com <http://www.domainit.com/> At 12:09 PM 7/30/2007, Nevett, Jonathon wrote: Thanks all for the helpful and constructive discussion. As you can tell, there are no easy answers to this issue. In an effort to frame the debate and to do an informal straw poll, let me make a few points and ask a question: First, the question has come up about the benefits of membership to the Registrar Constituency ("RC"). A number of members recently have raised the economic decision Richard Lau discussed in his posting. Why should a registrar pay dues vs. enjoying many of the benefits of membership without paying? For those of you who were not at the San Juan meeting, we are trying to address this "free rider" issue in a number of ways, and believe that the following more than justifies an investment of $250 per year. Current Benefits of RC Membership Not Available to Non-Members Ability to vote in elections and on motions, the budget, issue statements, etc. Ability to represent the RC as an officer, on the GNSO Council, the Nominating Committee, or various task forces and working groups Ability to attend closed sessions of RC meetings Ability to sit at the table at the RC meetings with better access to the limited microphones and power strips (new) Ability to post and receive e-mails on the member-only list that we are creating (new) Ability to receive access to a list archives that are organized and searchable (proposed) Second, I support fully the efforts to retain a part time professional staff person to support the constituency. This is a very important time for registrars as we are at a period during which we likely will see changes to our contract with ICANN for the first time in six years, structural changes to ICANN itself, as well as structural changes to the GNSO impacting our role in the policy development process. We need to be out in front of these issues and other policy issues that are being discussed. A proactive RC is much more effective than just a reactive one. I haven't heard much in the way of objection to the proposal to retain such a staff person either during our discussion in San Juan or subsequently on the list, so for purposes of this note I will assume it is supported as long as we can work out the financing. Finally, the issue then is how we pay for the additional services. I absolutely agree with Marcus that the constituencies should receive some support from ICANN, so my hope is that this is a short term issue. Just like Rob and Bob described, the dues were $750 at some point in the past and then were reduced when the need no longer existed to have them at that level. I hope the same will be true through due to support from ICANN. Until such a time, however, we need to work out an equitable solution to address the shortfall. In the budget, we proposed a fixed rate with an ability to seek forgiveness, but are open to other options if the membership prefers. Here are the options I have seen thus far. 1. Fixed dues without forgiveness - about $650 per member. Everyone treated equally, but we might lose members who can't afford the dues. 2. Fixed dues with forgiveness - current proposal - $750 per member with ability to seek reduction to $250 based on need. 3. Fixed dues with a collections plate (Connelly Proposal) - registrars that can afford it donate additional amounts to the RC, but no additional benefits for donating. 4. Tiered dues based on domain names under management (Barrett Proposal) - large registrars must pay more based on size, but no additional benefits for paying more. 5. Tiered dues based on registrar choice (Lau Proposal) - maybe one tier at $1250 and another at $250 - all registrars have an equal right to choose between Gold and Silver membership levels, but the Gold level members receive additional benefits in addition to the ones enumerated above (this may require changes to the Bylaws depending on what incentives to join the Gold level are included -- e.g. weighted voting). I apologize if I mischaracterized or missed any of the proposals, but it would be helpful if folks let us know which of the 5 options they would support (maybe more than one). Thanks. Jon
At 06:32 PM 7/31/2007 Tuesday -0400, Jeffrey Eckhaus wrote:
and the need for confidentiality in fee reductions and the full ex-com to abide by that confidentiality.
Dear Jeff: May I take that as an endorsement to my amendment to the Main Motion? Regards, BobC
Excellent response Jon. You have my support for the RC Due Structure in this format. Adrian Kinderis Managing Director AusRegistry Group Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistrygroup.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. ________________________________ From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Nevett, Jonathon Sent: Tue 7/31/2007 11:39 PM To: Paul Goldstone; Registrar Constituency Subject: RE: [registrars] Dues Structure I think that Paul makes a number of important and helpful points below. The consensus of the ExCom was to have an equal dues structure to avoid all of the issues related to a multi-tiered structure based on registrar size or uneven benefits that folks have raised over the past few days. The one distinction between what Paul has written and what we have in the current proposal is a limited ability for a member to seek a fee reduction based on need. We envisioned using this to encourage new members and to keep a few members that really can't afford the extra $500. It is not intended for registrars who just don't want to pay the extra $500. As Tom Barrett suggested, we don't expect too many applications for fee reductions. But it's nice to have some flexibility in case of extenuating circumstances. As Bob suggested in his recent post, I think those members that seek a reduction should remain confidential (similar to the system that ICANN employees with its fee forgiveness). In my opinion, however, the information needs to be kept confidential by the four officers (and by the staff member who monitors the account) and not just by the Treasurer in that the fee reduction should be authorized by a majority vote of the officers voting, not just by a unilateral decision of the Treasurer. With dues at $750, pro-ration definitely makes sense for new members. Finally, invoicing dues and payment went much better last year than in prior years. We hope to continue that improvement this year after a budget is approved. Paul also raises a good point about increasing membership. Our membership has grown 20% YoY in the past fiscal year. Had it not, the current dues proposal would probably be in the $900-$1,000 range. With that said, we could do better. I attended the most recent ICANN regional gathering and spoke with 5-7 solid prospective members. Hopefully, that should help bring in some members and reduce fees in future years. Also, with ICANN's new RADAR database, it should help our ability to reach out to more prospective members. I also agree with Paul that the website has been in need of improvement for many years. I'd like to have a simple site that contains our key documents, contact information, a way to pay dues, and the e-mail archive that only is available to members. Dan Warner and Rob Hall are working on developing that capability. I finally want to make a point about the $750 this year. As you probably know, the ICANN Board has approved a process for changes to the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) that includes a specific role for consultations between ICANN and the Registrar Constituency http://www.icann.org/minutes/resolutions-29jun07.htm#k. Thus, this year we are charged with negotiating changes to the RAA on behalf of every ICANN-accredited registrar. How much would each member incur in legal fees and internal resources in individually negotiating a contract with ICANN? In my mind, $750 would be quite reasonable to have a group negotiate a contract on my behalf and enable me to have direct input on the negotiation process and the substance of the agreement if I want it. This process, of course, will be in addition to the ICANN public comment period. Also, we envision using the newly created member-only list for most of the internal discussions related to the RAA. This benefit of membership, of course, is on top of all the other benefits that we have discussed earlier in the week. I hope folks agree that even at $750, the RC is a worthwhile membership and will support the budget proposed. Thanks. Jon ________________________________ From: Paul Goldstone [mailto:paulg@domainit.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:24 AM To: Nevett, Jonathon Cc: Registrar Constituency Subject: Re: [registrars] Dues Structure Jon, Thanks for gathering the proposals for comment. The benefits of an RC membership are equal regardless of the size of the registrar or how much money they make. With that in mind, it is only fair that all registrars should pay the same equal amount. As for keeping the annual dues low, it would be a good idea to update the outdated RC website and send the URL to all registrars, along with an invitation to join the mailing list. I wonder how many registrars are not aware of the RC, or perhaps aware of the RC but not of its benefits. By informing more registrars, we'd get more memberships and in turn a lower per registrar fee, not to mention a larger and more unified group. I also feel that the RC should offer pro-rated fees for registrars joining part way through the year. For some perspective, Domain-It has been registering domains since 1996, accredited since 2000, on the RC mailing list since 2002, but we only became an official RC member last year. Just for insight into our experience, nobody clearly explained the benefits of the RC, or approached us for dues. Of the few occasions we approached the RC to pay dues, twice it was at year end and we would have been required to pay the full amount ($750) for just a month or two of membership, and another time, the RC was not able to take our payment. Does anyone have the figures on how many registrars are eligible to join the RC and how many of those are actually members, or more to the point, not members? That would give us an idea of how much outreach is needed. FYI, according to Paul Westley in Jan '04 (RC treasurer at the time) there were ~50 official RC members, out of ~150 accredited registrars. Here are the points I covered and feel should be implemented: - Update RC website and inform ALL registrars of the RC site and mailing list - Charge all registrars an equal membership fee for equal benefits - Provide invoices and an easy way for registrars to pay membership fees - Allow pro-rated membership fees for new members joining mid year I also agree that retaining a part time staff person to coordinate the above and other tasks is a great idea. Regards, Paul Goldstone President and CEO Domain-It, Inc. http://www.domainit.com <http://www.domainit.com/> At 12:09 PM 7/30/2007, Nevett, Jonathon wrote: Thanks all for the helpful and constructive discussion. As you can tell, there are no easy answers to this issue. In an effort to frame the debate and to do an informal straw poll, let me make a few points and ask a question: First, the question has come up about the benefits of membership to the Registrar Constituency ("RC"). A number of members recently have raised the economic decision Richard Lau discussed in his posting. Why should a registrar pay dues vs. enjoying many of the benefits of membership without paying? For those of you who were not at the San Juan meeting, we are trying to address this "free rider" issue in a number of ways, and believe that the following more than justifies an investment of $250 per year. Current Benefits of RC Membership Not Available to Non-Members Ability to vote in elections and on motions, the budget, issue statements, etc. Ability to represent the RC as an officer, on the GNSO Council, the Nominating Committee, or various task forces and working groups Ability to attend closed sessions of RC meetings Ability to sit at the table at the RC meetings with better access to the limited microphones and power strips (new) Ability to post and receive e-mails on the member-only list that we are creating (new) Ability to receive access to a list archives that are organized and searchable (proposed) Second, I support fully the efforts to retain a part time professional staff person to support the constituency. This is a very important time for registrars as we are at a period during which we likely will see changes to our contract with ICANN for the first time in six years, structural changes to ICANN itself, as well as structural changes to the GNSO impacting our role in the policy development process. We need to be out in front of these issues and other policy issues that are being discussed. A proactive RC is much more effective than just a reactive one. I haven't heard much in the way of objection to the proposal to retain such a staff person either during our discussion in San Juan or subsequently on the list, so for purposes of this note I will assume it is supported as long as we can work out the financing. Finally, the issue then is how we pay for the additional services. I absolutely agree with Marcus that the constituencies should receive some support from ICANN, so my hope is that this is a short term issue. Just like Rob and Bob described, the dues were $750 at some point in the past and then were reduced when the need no longer existed to have them at that level. I hope the same will be true through due to support from ICANN. Until such a time, however, we need to work out an equitable solution to address the shortfall. In the budget, we proposed a fixed rate with an ability to seek forgiveness, but are open to other options if the membership prefers. Here are the options I have seen thus far. 1. Fixed dues without forgiveness - about $650 per member. Everyone treated equally, but we might lose members who can't afford the dues. 2. Fixed dues with forgiveness - current proposal - $750 per member with ability to seek reduction to $250 based on need. 3. Fixed dues with a collections plate (Connelly Proposal) - registrars that can afford it donate additional amounts to the RC, but no additional benefits for donating. 4. Tiered dues based on domain names under management (Barrett Proposal) - large registrars must pay more based on size, but no additional benefits for paying more. 5. Tiered dues based on registrar choice (Lau Proposal) - maybe one tier at $1250 and another at $250 - all registrars have an equal right to choose between Gold and Silver membership levels, but the Gold level members receive additional benefits in addition to the ones enumerated above (this may require changes to the Bylaws depending on what incentives to join the Gold level are included -- e.g. weighted voting). I apologize if I mischaracterized or missed any of the proposals, but it would be helpful if folks let us know which of the 5 options they would support (maybe more than one). Thanks. Jon
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Adrian Kinderis -
Jeffrey Eckhaus -
Nevett, Jonathon -
Paul Goldstone -
Robert F. Connelly