NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Hello All, Although I should be able to join some of the conference call tonight, I am due to get on a plane half way through, so thought I would let you know my views on the discussions so far. Lynn's perspective below reflects exactly my thoughts. We all applied for this role, having understood what the Call for Applicants meant and all of our CVs, letters and statements are readily available for all to read. I understood that following our first conference call we were expected to self nominate or nominate a Chair - and that is exactly what happened. I felt I had enough knowledge of the nominees from available documentation, and was pleased we seemed to have achieved the position of Chair and Vice Chair in such an efficient and effective method. (Thanks Kathy and Emily for volunteering). Reading through our CVs etc., I am sure we allhave enough experience to know broadly what is expected of a Chair and Vice Chair ? We can finesse that as we go along, if Kathy and Emily need more support. Although not set in stone, we have set ourselves some challenging timescales, so our decision making around processes needs to be slick -so we can get on with the business in hand, about which I am very excited to be a part. If I don't get a chance to say tonight, I have consulted with law enforcement internationally about this Review, so I can represent all of our issues and thoughts - and they are looking forward to hearing how we are getting along and greatly appreciate our inclusion in the debate. Sharon Sharon Lemon OBE. Deputy Director e-Crime, Crime Techniques, Prevention and Alerts | Serious Organised Crime Agency | PO BOX 8000 | London | SE11 5EN | Tel: +44 (0)20 7238 8583 | Mobile: +44 (0)7768 290902 | Email: sharon.lemon@soca.x.gsi.gov.uk Get Safe Online Week 2010 runs from 15th-19th November. Visit the website <http://www.getsafeonline.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1497> to learn more or follow us on twitter @GetSafeOnline Get Safe Online is a joint initiative between the Government, the Serious Organised Crime Agency, and public and private sector sponsors from the worlds of technology, communication, retail and finance to raise awareness of internet security, and help individuals and smaller businesses in the UK to use the internet confidently and safely. -----Original Message----- From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of lynn@goodsecurityconsulting.com Sent: 27 October 2010 20:24 To: Smith,Bill Cc: rt4-whois@icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Chair nominations invited for the WHOIS Review Team - Acceptance and Vice Chair Believe I have a different perspective. I had thought that the relatively small size of our team would permit us to be a bit more relaxed. It also seemed to me that the purpose and scope of our work had already been determined and was included in the Call for Applicants, so we do not need to invest time and energy along those lines. Finally, we all submitted a CV and a Statement of Interest so it is clear that everyone is well qualified to participate. We had the additional opportunity of introducing ourselves in last week's call. Although I am not personally acquainted with the rest of the team, I was comfortable with the information available to support the proposed nominations. I have been in some groups where no one wants to take the Chair because of the additional work required so I am grateful that we have two team members willing to step up for Chair and Vice-Chair. It is wonderful to have Rod Beckstrom engaged and highly supportive of this effort so we should be sensitive not to unduly impose on him. -Lynn -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Chair nominations invited for the WHOIS Review Team - Acceptance and Vice Chair From: "Smith, Bill" <bill.smith@paypal-inc.com> Date: Wed, October 27, 2010 1:58 pm To: "Kim G. von Arx" <kim@vonarx.ca>, Susan Kawaguchi <skawaguchi@facebook.com> Cc: "rt4-whois@icann.org" <rt4-whois@icann.org> Some quick points: 1. Internal structure, process, rules, etc. can be a simple task, provided we adopt a commonly used model. However, if our intention is otherwise, we could devote a significant amount of time to that task (I have personal experience with this). I would prefer that we spend our time on the task at hand, an assessment, and it is for this reason that I proposed both Robert's Rules and a draft scope. 2. We did agree to solicit nominations. We also agreed to continue the discussion on the items in the first agenda, including Terms of Reference. We further agreed that we would continue working on these until they were resolved, whether in one, two, or more weeks. I don't recall that we agreed to a specific sequencing of these items and assumed that we would work on them in parallel, where practical. It seems quite reasonable to me to begin discussions on our Terms of Reference, as a means of expediting our work, *and* to better understand each other and how we might work together. 3. I see no issue with Rod continuing to lead us as we define our Terms of Reference. I believe he was particularly effective during last week's call and expect he would be similarly effective as we discuss terms of reference, etc. Should his stewardship become problematic, and I do *not* envision that, we could always elect a chair at that time. 4. I too support Susan's comments re qualities. However, I have limited experience with the members of this Review Team and as a consequence, would benefit from seeing the group interact more before I consider selecting a chair. 5. I took Susan's chair constituency statement as a comment on the multi-stakeholder nature of ICANN. I share her (somewhat) concern and support her suggestion that we consider "diversity" when making decisions/assignments. That seems to be in keeping with ICANN's general approach to filling positions. I did *not* take her comments in any way as a personal statement about either nominee. 6. Robert's Rules is designed for "Deliberative Assemblies" like ours. It is used by numerous societies and organizations to bring a common sense order to their proceedings and importantly, to protect the rights of the individual in such bodies. I find several references to its use within ICANN, including the Registrar Stakeholder Group, and the GNSO Council (for voting). In addition, ARIN, ISOC, IEEE, OASIS, use Robert's Rules. (While Robert's might be the standard in share capital organizations, in my experience it is also the standard at societies, associations, etc. I admit my ignorance with Wainberg's but some quick Internet searches does not reveal significant use - in my opinion.) We also have other administrative issues to consider; like proxies, alternate representation, decision making (presumably consensus), how will we define consensus, ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim G. von Arx [mailto:kim@vonarx.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:11 PM > To: Susan Kawaguchi > Cc: Smith, Bill; rt4-whois@icann.org > Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Chair nominations invited for the WHOIS Review > Team - Acceptance and Vice Chair > > All: > > Thanks to Bill and Susan for valuable procedural points. I just would > like to add a few comments. > > 1. I believe that the internal structure is one of the most simple > tasks for this group to undertake and we should spend as little time as > possible on those aspects. > > 2. In line with the above, I thought that the roles and > responsibilities of the Chair (and if applicable the Vice-chair) would > be a discussion we would have prior to the vote and, if applicable, > prior to any further nominations. Indeed, the nomination emails were > just that - nominations and we had all agreed in our last call that we > would nominate and/or self-nominate people we think are suitable > candidates. Therefore, I was under the impression that the upcoming > phone call's main objective was to figure out the administrative > details with respect to the role, responsibility of the Chair and, of > course, the election of the Chair. If we fail to finalize those > details in our next call then, I had proposed, we would have another > call the following week until we have finalized the administrative > details including our terms of reference (the latter is not an internal > structure issue, but a substantive matter that will need significant > input and discussion). > > 3. I believe that it is important that we appoint a person from our > group to lead the discussion and us to the appropriate terms of > reference for this RT and I find it somewhat counter intuitive to have > Rod Beckstrom lead that discussion considering that we are supposed to > conduct some kind of review of a policy of ICANN and its ability to > enforce the same. > > 4. I believe that Susan's comments with regards to the roles and > responsibilities of the Chair are absolutely accurate and I believe > that both, Kathy and Emily, have shown over and over again that they > have all those qualities. > > 5. I don't believe that the fact that both nominees come from the > registry constituency is a concern considering that, I believe, both > nominees, have shown a lot of impartiality and integrity over the many > years they have dealt with very sensitive Internet policy issues > including the WHOIS issues under the ICANN regime and the UK (European > Union) framework. > > 6. With respect to process issues and rules of order, I suggest that we > should take ICANN's by-law as the framework considering that we are a > sub-creature of ICANN. Also, I propose that we use Wainberg's rules of > order instead of Robert's Rules. The former is specifically designed > for societies, associations, not for profits, etc. and is the standard > for those kind of organizations. Whereas the latter is the standard > for organizations with share capital. > > I am looking forward to a fruitful discussion and =0Ameeting this > Thursday. > > Best wishes, > > Kim > > > > > > On 26 Oct 2010, at 17:32, Susan Kawaguchi wrote: > > > I echo Bill's sentiments. Definition of how we go about evaluating > ICANN's enforcement of the WHOIS policy should be our first priority. > > > > Kathy, I personally very much appreciate your willingness to take on > the monumental job as chairperson but I personally would like to have a > clear picture of the work we will be doing in this group before we set > up our internal structure. > > > > As a group what do we expect of the chairperson? This is crucial to > discuss as the role of chair will be very important in guiding how this > team works together. I think we should establish ground rules and > guidelines on what is expected of the chairperson before we decide on > an individual. > > > > In other groups the chairperson's responsibilities have been > described as follows: > > > > "The purpose of a Chair is to call meetings, preside over working > group deliberations, manage the process so that all participants have > the opportunity to contribute, and report the results of the Working > Group to the Chartering Organization. " > > > > "Qualities of the Chair > > The main concern of the chair should be the aims and objectives of > the group and the integrity of the meeting process. There follows a > brief description of the personal qualities that a good chair should > possess. > > > > Authority > > The chair will need to maintain control to ensure that progress is > made in line with the schedule - as defined in the agenda. > > > > Flexibility > > Following an agenda does not always imply unquestioning devotion to > it. For example, if an unplanned deviation could produce a > clarification or the bonding together of meeting participants, then > this might represent a very effective strategy. > > > > Impartiality > > It is important that the chair supports an equal and fair > consideration of all sides of the argument. This can be especially > difficult where the chair is privately on one side of the debate. > > > > Maturity > > The chair must be able to accept and work with a broad cross section > of personalities. They should view each meeting without too much > preconception as to how individuals will act and react, but be able to > respond as the need arises. " > > > > You all may be thinking, "Of course, that is what we expect" but I > would feel more comfortable discussing the role and coming to > consensus. The WRT has many diverse view points and experiences. > Consensus building, transparency and neutrality will be key in the role > of the chair and the group should make a conscious decision on what we > expect of the chairperson. > > > > I am also somewhat concerned that the first two ICANN review teams > will be chaired by representatives of the Registry stakeholders group. > We should consider spreading the work to other constituencies. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois- > bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Bill > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:24 AM > > To: rt4-whois@icann.org > > Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Chair nominations invited for the WHOIS > Review Team - Acceptance and Vice Chair > > > > It is heartening to see both the interest in and support for the > proposed candidates for Chair and Vice-Chair. I am encouraged by the > activity on the list and hope that we continue to use email as an > important means of progressing our work. In my experience, > collaborative/collegial use of email can significantly enhance the work > of groups between telephonic or face-to-face meetings; especially when > those groups are "geographically challenged". It facilitates discussion > of important topics between meetings frequently enabling both more > informed and faster decision making. > > > > With this in mind, I'd like to suggest that we may have the cart > before the horse in our discussions/decisions with respect to a Chair > and Vice-Chair. I believe that it is imperative that we all understand, > and agree to, both what we are working on and how we will perform the > work, before we formally select a Chair, and if necessary a Vice-Chair. > Establishing a charter prior to formally selecting a chair is common > practice at many organizations that have well-established processes, > e.g. OASIS, W3C, and IETF. I believe we would be well-served to follow > their model. > > > > Let me be clear that this is a *process* issue, not a personality > issue. I believe the proposed candidates are well-qualified and further > believe it is likely that they will be selected. However, before we > take that action, it is important that we understand the scope of our > work, and the rules that we will adhere to. > > > > Fortunately, the AOC establishes a clear basis for our work. Using > the language from the AOC, minimally adapted for the purpose of > defining a scope, I suggest that our scope is: > > > > ________________________________ > > To assess the extent to which existing WHOIS policy and its > implementation: > > > > * is effective, > > * meets the legitimate needs of law enforcement, and > > * promotes consumer trust. > > > > This assessment will include an analysis and determination of ICANN's > performance against the AOC requirement that ICANN implement measures > to maintain timely, unrestricted and public access to accurate and > complete WHOIS information, including registrant, technical, billing, > and administrative contact information. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For process, we have the A&T Review Team's Terms of Reference > Methodology that can serve as a basis for us and I suggest we use that > as appropriate for our needs. I would also suggest that for anything > beyond the specifics we might lay out in out ToR, we use Roberts Rules > as our process document. It has proven effective in any number of > situations and allows us to have well-established processes without the > need to define, debate, and agree on them. > > > > Finally, I think we should take Rod Beckstrom up on his kind offer to > serve as chair and facilitator, and to do so until we can agree on what > our charter is and how we will go about our work. > > > > (A simple example of the types of process decisions we might need to > make is related to Wilfried's note - do we allow proxies? Or absentee > voting? If we do, how do we determine if quorum is established?) > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois- > bounces@icann.org] > >> On Behalf Of Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:52 AM > >> To: Olivier ITEANU > >> Cc: rt4-whois@icann.org > >> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Chair nominations invited for the WHOIS > Review > >> Team - Acceptance and Vice Chair > >> > >> Dear Team! > >> > >> Olivier ITEANU wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear All, > >>> Considering that I am very new in the Icann process (I was part of > it > >>> in 2001), I do not know personally Kathy and Emily > >> > >> Nor do I, actually I don't think that I have "conciously" met anyone > >> in the team before. Thus I do not feel in a position to suggest any > >> individual for this position. > >> > >>> but it seems that > >>> many of you know each others and know them: if there is a consensus > >>> on them, that's fine for me, Kathy and Emily seem very competent > for > >>> the job. > >> > >> Nevertheless I am fine with the 2 ladies being nominated already. > >> > >>> However, if there is another candidate, I think that we need an > >>> urgent coming out ! > >>> Olivier > >> > >> As there's only a slim chance that I can call in (and if at all, > from > >> my mobile phone in listening mode because I will be on a train), I'd > >> like to submit my support for Kathy and Emily to serve as chairs of > the > >> team. > >> > >>> Olivier ITEANU - mailto:oiteanu@iteanu.com > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Wilfried. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rt4-whois mailing list > >> Rt4-whois@icann.org > >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rt4-whois mailing list > > Rt4-whois@icann.org > > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rt4-whois mailing list > > Rt4-whois@icann.org > > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois _______________________________________________ Rt4-whois mailing list Rt4-whois@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/rt4-whois This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the Government Secure Intranet anti-virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. 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