Thanks Alice. I like both Privacy Services definitions but my slight preference is for the second. I feel that both Proxy Services definitions are lacking in some respect, but I prefer the first with the following minor modification: "Proxy Services register a domain name at the request of a third party and then allow a third party to use the domain name behind the veil of the Proxy Service's name and contact information." Seth From: Alice Jansen [mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:34 AM To: Seth M Reiss; rt4-whois@icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] NOTE: Draft report + appendices document - 29 November Hi Seth! The two sets of recommendations are as follows: Privacy Services provide the Registrant's Name, but the Privacy Service's contact information. The Privacy Service passes on non-spam messages to the Registrant, particularly legal notices, acting as a type of "registered agent." Proxy Services register the domain name and license it to another for use. Privacy services limit certain user details from WHOIS by offering alternate contact information and mail forwarding services, while not actually shielding the user's identity. Proxy services have a third-party register domain names on the user's behalf and then license the use of the domain name so that a third-party's contact information (and not the licensee's) is published in WHOIS. In the report: P.44-45 P.82 Thanks, Kind regards Alice -- Alice Jansen Assistant, Organizational Reviews 6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5 B-1040 Brussels Belgium Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64 Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56 Skype: alice_jansen_icann From: Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:34:00 -0800 To: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org>, "rt4-whois@icann.org" <rt4-whois@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] NOTE: Draft report + appendices document - 29 November Alice Would it be possible to break out the 2 sets of privacy/proxy definitions with note in an email to the Team for feedback? I am not sure I am finding them in the document in the way you have described. Thanks. Seth From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alice Jansen Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:19 AM To: rt4-whois@icann.org Subject: [Rt4-whois] NOTE: Draft report + appendices document - 29 November Members, Note that the latest version of the draft report contains/reflects: * Susan's new set of comments (in addition to those incorporated yesterday); * Lutz' recommendation on a centralized WHOIS; * The 2 sets of privacy/proxy definitions along with a note asking you to decide which set you would like to adopt; * The prior-to-September Law Enforcement definition (with reference to an off-list discussion). This was added in parallel to the definition currently in the report. Note that the appendices document now includes: * Susan's example of a WHOIS look-up. Thanks, Kind regards Alice From: Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:00:16 -0800 To: "rt4-whois@icann.org" <rt4-whois@icann.org> Subject: Draft report + appendices document - 29 November Dear Review Team Members, Please find attached the latest versions of the draft report and appendices document. Also available at: https://community.icann.org/display/whoisreviewprivate/Draft+report Thanks, Kind regards Alice -- Alice Jansen Assistant, Organizational Reviews 6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5 B-1040 Brussels Belgium Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64 Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56 Skype: alice_jansen_icann