Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi James, I can’t open either of the documents on my laptop but can view it on my iPhone not the most optimal. Can you paste in to the body of an email and forward? Susan From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:09 PM To: Mikhail Yakushev Cc: rt4-whois@icann.org Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Is anyone able to open these? J. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] From: Mikhail Yakushev <m.yakushev@corp.mail.ru<mailto:m.yakushev@corp.mail.ru>> Date: Thu, November 24, 2011 11:56 pm To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>>, "Nettlefold,Peter" <Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au<http://Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au>> Cc: "rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>" <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Dear James, I am sorry to confirm that neither previous versions nor this format are readable… Rgds, M. From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:26 AM To: Nettlefold,Peter Cc: rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Peter and Team: Here is a second attempt with the Proxy document converted to an older version of Word. I am currently using Word 2011 for MacOS, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Please let me know if this works. Thanks-- J. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] From: "Nettlefold, Peter" <Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au<http://Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au>> Date: Thu, November 24, 2011 9:28 pm To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>>, "Emily Taylor" <emily@emilytaylor.eu<mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu>> Cc: "rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>" <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Hi all, I seem to be having a technical problem opening documents from James. Am I alone in this? It happened with this one, and also with the one that had the edits to the recommendations. James, or Alice – is it possible to re/send those two documents in a different format? Thanks, Peter From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com] Sent: Friday, 25 November 2011 1:27 AM To: Emily Taylor Cc: rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>; Nettlefold, Peter Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Team: While Susan and I worked (and will continue to work) on some of the language, here are my comments on the other sections. Thanks-- J. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] From: Emily Taylor <emily@emilytaylor.eu<mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu>> Date: Thu, November 24, 2011 3:30 am To: "Nettlefold, Peter" <Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au<http://Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au>> Cc: "rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>" <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Hi Peter As it's Thanksgiving, our US colleagues will (should) be offline for a couple of days. My understanding from last night's call is that our proposal is to combine these proxy recommendations with the ones from Dakar. In other words, instead of saying "we never acknowledge proxies" we say this. Susan explained that they are currently working on defining what is meant by a proxy, and as you rightly point out there are different flavours of proxy. There is the "deep" arrangement based on an ongoing trusting relationship (eg solicitor, client) where a proxy might not be obvious. My understanding is that we're not attempting to lift the veil on these. They are not viewed as problematic. What is viewed as within the ambit of these new draft recommendations are the higher volume, commercialised proxy services, where there is not really a pre-existing relationship between registrant and proxy provider, but this is a low cost add on at the point of registration. The two parties don't really know each other that well. These are the ones we're hoping to describe in our definitions, and they are the target of these recommendations. I hope that this makes it clear, but obviously I do recommend you listen to Susan's description of their thinking from the audio when it's up. Thanks Emily On 24 November 2011 02:32, Nettlefold, Peter <Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au<mailto:Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au>> wrote: Hi Susan and all, Thanks very much to all who worked on this new series of recommendations. I’m sorry I missed the teleconference this morning, but just wanted to see if I understand this proposal correctly. In short, is this a supplement to the position we agreed in Dakar? i.e. will the situation generally be that the registered name holder assumes all rights and responsibilities (as we discussed in Dakar), but in a special subset of cases (i.e. where the registrar clearly knows that a ‘proxy’ is being used) then some special rules apply? Or to put it another way, will we be recommending that there should be special new rules for ‘known’ proxies (however defined), and in all other cases we do not acknowledge proxies? I’m sorry if this was discussed this morning, but I’m just trying to understand the position. As there isn’t a recording up yet that I’ve seen, any advice on whether other team members have already commented on this would be appreciated. Cheers, Peter From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Susan Kawaguchi Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2011 6:18 AM To: rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc Hello All, I apologize for the delay in sending this and that it is still in rough draft. The attached document contains Kathy’s revisions and comments to my original proposed recommendation. I have added proposed definitions for the terms we are struggling with. These came out of discussions between James and I. I feel that we must provide a clear recommendation on the proxy issue but I personally seem to keep moving towards drafting policy. I am hoping we will have time to discuss on the call today as I have several questions for the team. Susan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. This message has been content scanned by the Axway MailGate. MailGate uses policy enforcement to scan for known viruses, spam, undesirable content and malicious code. 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Hi Team, I have saved James' document in .doc and .pdf. Fingers crossed! Best Alice -- Alice Jansen Assistant, Organizational Reviews 6 Rond Point Schuman, Bt.5 B-1040 Brussels Belgium Direct dial: +32 2 234 78 64 Mobile: +32 4 73 31 76 56 Skype: alice_jansen_icann From: Susan Kawaguchi <susank@fb.com<mailto:susank@fb.com>> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:11:31 -0800 To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> Cc: "rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>" <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi James, I can’t open either of the documents on my laptop but can view it on my iPhone not the most optimal. Can you paste in to the body of an email and forward? Susan From: rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:09 PM To: Mikhail Yakushev Cc: rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Is anyone able to open these? J. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] From: Mikhail Yakushev <m.yakushev@corp.mail.ru<mailto:m.yakushev@corp.mail.ru>> Date: Thu, November 24, 2011 11:56 pm To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>>, "Nettlefold,Peter" <Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au<http://Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au>> Cc: "rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>" <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Dear James, I am sorry to confirm that neither previous versions nor this format are readable… Rgds, M. From:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:26 AM To: Nettlefold,Peter Cc: rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Peter and Team: Here is a second attempt with the Proxy document converted to an older version of Word. I am currently using Word 2011 for MacOS, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Please let me know if this works. Thanks-- J. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] From: "Nettlefold, Peter" <Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au<http://Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au>> Date: Thu, November 24, 2011 9:28 pm To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>>, "Emily Taylor" <emily@emilytaylor.eu<mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu>> Cc: "rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>" <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Hi all, I seem to be having a technical problem opening documents from James. Am I alone in this? It happened with this one, and also with the one that had the edits to the recommendations. James, or Alice – is it possible to re/send those two documents in a different format? Thanks, Peter From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com] Sent: Friday, 25 November 2011 1:27 AM To: Emily Taylor Cc: rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>; Nettlefold, Peter Subject: RE: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Team: While Susan and I worked (and will continue to work) on some of the language, here are my comments on the other sections. Thanks-- J. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] From: Emily Taylor <emily@emilytaylor.eu<mailto:emily@emilytaylor.eu>> Date: Thu, November 24, 2011 3:30 am To: "Nettlefold, Peter" <Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au<http://Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au>> Cc: "rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>" <rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org>> Hi Peter As it's Thanksgiving, our US colleagues will (should) be offline for a couple of days. My understanding from last night's call is that our proposal is to combine these proxy recommendations with the ones from Dakar. In other words, instead of saying "we never acknowledge proxies" we say this. Susan explained that they are currently working on defining what is meant by a proxy, and as you rightly point out there are different flavours of proxy. There is the "deep" arrangement based on an ongoing trusting relationship (eg solicitor, client) where a proxy might not be obvious. My understanding is that we're not attempting to lift the veil on these. They are not viewed as problematic. What is viewed as within the ambit of these new draft recommendations are the higher volume, commercialised proxy services, where there is not really a pre-existing relationship between registrant and proxy provider, but this is a low cost add on at the point of registration. The two parties don't really know each other that well. These are the ones we're hoping to describe in our definitions, and they are the target of these recommendations. I hope that this makes it clear, but obviously I do recommend you listen to Susan's description of their thinking from the audio when it's up. Thanks Emily On 24 November 2011 02:32, Nettlefold, Peter <Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au<mailto:Peter.Nettlefold@dbcde.gov.au>> wrote: Hi Susan and all, Thanks very much to all who worked on this new series of recommendations. I’m sorry I missed the teleconference this morning, but just wanted to see if I understand this proposal correctly. In short, is this a supplement to the position we agreed in Dakar? i.e. will the situation generally be that the registered name holder assumes all rights and responsibilities (as we discussed in Dakar), but in a special subset of cases (i.e. where the registrar clearly knows that a ‘proxy’ is being used) then some special rules apply? Or to put it another way, will we be recommending that there should be special new rules for ‘known’ proxies (however defined), and in all other cases we do not acknowledge proxies? I’m sorry if this was discussed this morning, but I’m just trying to understand the position. As there isn’t a recording up yet that I’ve seen, any advice on whether other team members have already commented on this would be appreciated. Cheers, Peter From:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Susan Kawaguchi Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2011 6:18 AM To: rt4-whois@icann.org<mailto:rt4-whois@icann.org> Subject: [Rt4-whois] Proxy provider recommendation 112311 susan draft(2).doc Hello All, I apologize for the delay in sending this and that it is still in rough draft. The attached document contains Kathy’s revisions and comments to my original proposed recommendation. I have added proposed definitions for the terms we are struggling with. These came out of discussions between James and I. I feel that we must provide a clear recommendation on the proxy issue but I personally seem to keep moving towards drafting policy. I am hoping we will have time to discuss on the call today as I have several questions for the team. Susan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. This message has been content scanned by the Axway MailGate. MailGate uses policy enforcement to scan for known viruses, spam, undesirable content and malicious code. 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Susan Kawaguchi