Dear all, As discussed on call, Denise took the pen and added some text. Currently, those changes are in markup so it is apparent. Please have a look and raise issues on list or in the doc by Tuesday night if at all possible. This is to give the sub team time to make changes and to share those in time. As always, please use suggest mode and/or comments on g-docs. As you know, we would like to discuss all outstanding items on Thursday and get an idea of team consensus as well. Document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PdjkR6i_FdXuFTomxptVpLVVtORRTgrrnVQ-vSpm... All the best Laurin
We need to determine whether we have achieved consensus on the Abuse Subteam text on Thursday. Please review the text in the Google Doc prior to the call. Please use comments or edits in suggest mode! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PdjkR6i_FdXuFTomxptVpLVVtORRTgrrnVQ-vSpm... Thanks, Russ On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Weissinger, Laurin <laurin.weissinger@yale.edu> wrote:
Dear all,
As discussed on call, Denise took the pen and added some text. Currently, those changes are in markup so it is apparent. Please have a look and raise issues on list or in the doc by Tuesday night if at all possible. This is to give the sub team time to make changes and to share those in time. As always, please use suggest mode and/or comments on g-docs.
As you know, we would like to discuss all outstanding items on Thursday and get an idea of team consensus as well.
Document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PdjkR6i_FdXuFTomxptVpLVVtORRTgrrnVQ-vSpm...
All the best Laurin
We have not achieved consensus on the SLA text in this section. I put my comments into the google doc last nite. My biggest problem surrounds the assumption that we can trust private, commercial data as evidence that should cause ICANN to assume a registrar/registry is "guilty until proven innocent" and take punitive action if registrars can't prove their own innocence. We have something buried 3 pages later about recommending that ICANN Org should ensure it structures its agreements with any data feeds providers to allow for further sharing of the data with independent researchers for reproducibility and peer-reviewed scientific research, at no additional cost. All data-sharing contract terms should be published on the ICANN web site. This latter recommendation will have to be : (1) strengthened significantly, such that independent third parties can verify or refute the findings of the commercial providers, at icann's expense; and (2) implemented prerequsite to any use of this data as evidence in a 'registrar takedown', and (3) result in something so different from the current DAAR model as to be confusing to even call it DAAR. The current text recommends that ICANN toss out any concept of due process. It's a non-starter, afaict. Even regulators wouldn't do that. Indeed, regulators would put a stop to it. k On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 01:00:05PM -0500, Russ Housley wrote: We need to determine whether we have achieved consensus on the Abuse Subteam text on Thursday. Please review the text in the Google Doc prior to the call. Please use comments or edits in suggest mode! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PdjkR6i_FdXuFTomxptVpLVVtORRTgrrnVQ-vSpm... Thanks, Russ On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Weissinger, Laurin <laurin.weissinger@yale.edu> wrote:
Dear all,
As discussed on call, Denise took the pen and added some text. Currently, those changes are in markup so it is apparent. Please have a look and raise issues on list or in the doc by Tuesday night if at all possible. This is to give the sub team time to make changes and to share those in time. As always, please use suggest mode and/or comments on g-docs.
As you know, we would like to discuss all outstanding items on Thursday and get an idea of team consensus as well.
Document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PdjkR6i_FdXuFTomxptVpLVVtORRTgrrnVQ-vSpm...
All the best Laurin
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Dear all, The SLA recommendation only works in conjunction with the DAAR recommendation (that comes much later). I have proposed changes that should help dealing with kc’s points here but I think further work is needed. Please review the text. I think what we need for SLA are safe guards and I tried to add those with minor changes. KC, I think we might need more though. All the best Laurin
On Nov 16, 2020, at 13:44, k claffy <kc@caida.org> wrote:
We have not achieved consensus on the SLA text in this section. I put my comments into the google doc last nite.
My biggest problem surrounds the assumption that we can trust private, commercial data as evidence that should cause ICANN to assume a registrar/registry is "guilty until proven innocent" and take punitive action if registrars can't prove their own innocence.
We have something buried 3 pages later about recommending that
ICANN Org should ensure it structures its agreements with any data feeds providers to allow for further sharing of the data with independent researchers for reproducibility and peer-reviewed scientific research, at no additional cost. All data-sharing contract terms should be published on the ICANN web site.
This latter recommendation will have to be : (1) strengthened significantly, such that independent third parties can verify or refute the findings of the commercial providers, at icann's expense; and (2) implemented prerequsite to any use of this data as evidence in a 'registrar takedown', and (3) result in something so different from the current DAAR model as to be confusing to even call it DAAR.
The current text recommends that ICANN toss out any concept of due process. It's a non-starter, afaict. Even regulators wouldn't do that. Indeed, regulators would put a stop to it.
k
On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 01:00:05PM -0500, Russ Housley wrote: We need to determine whether we have achieved consensus on the Abuse Subteam text on Thursday. Please review the text in the Google Doc prior to the call. Please use comments or edits in suggest mode!
Thanks, Russ
On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Weissinger, Laurin <laurin.weissinger@yale.edu> wrote:
Dear all,
As discussed on call, Denise took the pen and added some text. Currently, those changes are in markup so it is apparent. Please have a look and raise issues on list or in the doc by Tuesday night if at all possible. This is to give the sub team time to make changes and to share those in time. As always, please use suggest mode and/or comments on g-docs.
As you know, we would like to discuss all outstanding items on Thursday and get an idea of team consensus as well.
All the best Laurin
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Dear all, There are quite a lot of open issues in the doc, please try to have a look and discuss the open questions. Also, many of you have not commented, please take a look before our call. All the best Laurin
On Nov 16, 2020, at 13:00, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
We need to determine whether we have achieved consensus on the Abuse Subteam text on Thursday. Please review the text in the Google Doc prior to the call. Please use comments or edits in suggest mode!
Thanks, Russ
On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Weissinger, Laurin <laurin.weissinger@yale.edu> wrote:
Dear all,
As discussed on call, Denise took the pen and added some text. Currently, those changes are in markup so it is apparent. Please have a look and raise issues on list or in the doc by Tuesday night if at all possible. This is to give the sub team time to make changes and to share those in time. As always, please use suggest mode and/or comments on g-docs.
As you know, we would like to discuss all outstanding items on Thursday and get an idea of team consensus as well.
All the best Laurin
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