Thank you, Martin.

I fail to see the difference between our Tshirt sizing and Jeff’s, other than he used lower assumptions. With that in mind, it seems that Marika’s suggestion to not start a community discussion on hypothetical numbers seems the best way forward. Once we have third-party proposals, we will share can figures that will include – to the extent possible - a breakdown of cost composites, as Jeff also suggested.

Related to this point, I think it was @Jim Prendergast who had asked for an overview of upcoming RFPs – I can report that we are preparing a website to show a timetable of our procurement schedule and that should be available in the coming weeks.

Thank you all and best wishes,

Lars

From: Martin Sutton <martin@tldz.com>
Date: Saturday, 8 February 2025 at 09:33
To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org>
Cc: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br>, Michael Karakash via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [SubPro-IRT] Re: Next Steps + Language on Fees and Application Questions

Hi Lars,

Understood, let’s avoid t-shirt sizing. But that should not prevent more realistic estimates to be included in the table, where these can be calculated and shared before the meeting. The example Jeff provided for the brand verification should be straightforward (even if ICANN chooses to outsource) to estimate costs for an efficient process. 

Absent of fees, drafts of each process would be ideal to share with the IRT to help refine and streamline, and keep any additional costs reasonable and fair.

Cheers,

Martin

Martin Sutton

Co-Founder

E:  Martin@tldz.com

T:  +44 7774 556680

TLDz.com

On 8 Feb 2025, at 07:47, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:

Thank you, Martin, for the clarification. After the IRT’s feedback on the unhelpfulness of t-shirt sizing the conditional evaluation fees during the call and on the list, Marika had indicated in her email to you on Wednesday [lists.icann.org], that we will take out these figures, which were based on our 2012 experiences. It seems more productive to continue discussing the conditional fees when we have some concrete offers from vendors on what the likely pass-through costs will be, by which time we should also have a more detailed understanding of the staff resources that may need to be involved in the admiration side of these evaluations.

Best wishes. Lars

From: Martin Sutton <martin@tldz.com>
Date: Saturday, 8 February 2025 at 08:23
To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org>
Cc: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br>, Michael Karakash via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [SubPro-IRT] Re: Next Steps + Language on Fees and Application Questions

Hi Lars,

I think Ruben’s may be referring to the additional fees on page 3, where these items remain blank.

Regards,

Martin

Martin Sutton

Co-Founder

E:  Martin@tldz.com

T:  +44 7774 556680

TLDz.com

On 8 Feb 2025, at 07:12, Lars Hoffmann via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org> wrote:

Dear Rubens,

Thank you for kindly reaching out. When I checked the Google Doc just now, I could see the fee language. I also saw another external IRT member in the document. Version history seems to suggest the document had been available and not modified since before I sent the email yesterday. So perhaps the issue is at your end. In any case, attached is a PDF version that hopefully works.

Kind regards. Lars

From: Rubens Kuhl via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org>
Reply-To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br>
Date: Friday, 7 February 2025 at 20:48
To: Michael Karakash via SubPro-IRT <subpro-irt@icann.org>
Subject: [SubPro-IRT] Re: Next Steps + Language on Fees and Application Questions

1. On Tuesday, we will focus on Fees [docs.google.com] and the RA. You can now review the draft AGB language on fees [docs.google.com], which includes updates based on the feedback we have received to-date, including an additional refund window, refund options for strings that are determined to be of high risk of collision, and refunds in case of material changes to the AGB. Draft AGB Language: Application Fees [docs.google.com]

It would be nice to have the actual fees before the session. For now they are blank. 

Rubens

<EXT_Application Fees.pdf>

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