Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.
Emoji in Email address example is neither part of IDN nor DNS. Here it is part of mailbox name. My idea of sharing is that Google and office365 receives email successfully from email address where mailbox contains emoji, outlook deals it just like normal email and gmail shows it dangerous. Dr. Ajay DataFounder & CEO From: Lars Steffen MailId : [90320017]To: Dr Ajay Data ,universal access Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.Date: 11 Apr 2019 05:19:02 PM May I quote from the 2 March 2018: ..what we agreed to is that emojis are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As such it is out of scope for UASG. Lars Von: UA-discuss im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data Datum: Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10 An: universal access Betreff: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name . Some Interesting things to note: I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address with heart shape. ❤@data.in and &hearts@data.in ( ❤ - xn--qei and &hearts - xn--g6h ) When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile devices these above hearts are shown in different red shades. However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook, they consider this as Spam. Not only spam, Gmail displays the following warning. - This message seems dangerous The sender&rsquos email address uses abnormal characters, which might be used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying to this message. Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our views around it. Dr. Ajay Data Founder & CEO [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER] Do not Remove: [HID]20190411124031186[-HID]
As I understand it, email administrators have freedom to set up their own policies as to mailbox names, filters, etc. Even if an email address is syntactically correct, it doesn’t mean it cannot be rejected by system policy. If a particular service is rejecting email addresses just because they are using letters of other alphabets that might be a problem UASG would want to take part of. In the case of symbols (e.g. emojis) used in the mailbox name, what would be UASG angle here? -Dennis From: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in> Date: Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 8:58 AM To: Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de>, "UA-discuss@icann.org" <ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. Emoji in Email address example is neither part of IDN nor DNS. Here it is part of mailbox name. My idea of sharing is that Google and office365 receives email successfully from email address where mailbox contains emoji, outlook deals it just like normal email and gmail shows it dangerous. Dr. Ajay Data Founder & CEO ________________________________ From: Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de> MailId : [90320017] To: Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in>,universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. Date: 11 Apr 2019 05:19:02 PM May I quote from the 2 March 2018: ..what we agreed to is that emojis are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As such it is out of scope for UASG. Lars Von: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in> Datum: Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10 An: universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org> Betreff: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. Some Interesting things to note: I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address with heart shape. ❤@data.in and ♥@data.in ( ❤ - xn--qei and ♥ - xn--g6h ) When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile devices these above hearts are shown in different red shades. However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook, they consider this as Spam. Not only spam, Gmail displays the following warning. - This message seems dangerous The sender’s email address uses abnormal characters, which might be used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying to this message. Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our views around it. Dr. Ajay Data Founder & CEO [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER] Do not Remove: [HID]20190411124031186[-HID] [Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.][Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.] [Image removed by sender.][Image removed by sender.]
using ❤@data.in isn’t much different than using UA-discuss@lCANN.org <mailto:UA-discuss@lCANN.org> It works with copy-paste but is unlikely (with today’s fonts and systems) to be transcribed correctly by a live humans. (Note that that was ua-discuss@Lcann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@Lcann.org> above, with a lower-case i.) Larry -- https://LarryMasinter.net From: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Tan Tanaka, Dennis via UA-discuss Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 6:28 AM To: ajay@data.in; lars.steffen@eco.de; ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. As I understand it, email administrators have freedom to set up their own policies as to mailbox names, filters, etc. Even if an email address is syntactically correct, it doesn’t mean it cannot be rejected by system policy. If a particular service is rejecting email addresses just because they are using letters of other alphabets that might be a problem UASG would want to take part of. In the case of symbols (e.g. emojis) used in the mailbox name, what would be UASG angle here? -Dennis From: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> > on behalf of Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in> > Date: Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 8:58 AM To: Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de <mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de> >, "UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> " <ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. Emoji in Email address example is neither part of IDN nor DNS. Here it is part of mailbox name. My idea of sharing is that Google and office365 receives email successfully from email address where mailbox contains emoji, outlook deals it just like normal email and gmail shows it dangerous. Dr. Ajay Data Founder & CEO _____ From: Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de <mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de> > MailId : [90320017] To: Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in> >,universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. Date: 11 Apr 2019 05:19:02 PM May I quote from the 2 March 2018: ..what we agreed to is that emojis are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As such it is out of scope for UASG. Lars Von: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> > im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in> > Datum: Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10 An: universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> > Betreff: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. Some Interesting things to note: I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address with heart shape. ❤@data.in and ♥@data.in ( ❤ - xn--qei and ♥ - xn--g6h ) When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile devices these above hearts are shown in different red shades. However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook, they consider this as Spam. Not only spam, Gmail displays the following warning. - This message seems dangerous The sender’s email address uses abnormal characters, which might be used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying to this message. Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our views around it. Dr. Ajay Data Founder & CEO [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER] Do not Remove: [HID]20190411124031186[-HID]
On 4/11/2019 11:56 AM, Larry Masinter wrote:
using ❤@data.in isn’t much different than using UA-discuss@lCANN.org <mailto:UA-discuss@lCANN.org>
It works with copy-paste but is unlikely (with today’s fonts and systems) to be transcribed correctly by a live humans.
(Note that that was ua-discuss@Lcann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@Lcann.org> above, with a lower-case i.)
The issues with emoji are much worse. All faces/body parts can have skin-tone variations that you will be hard pressed to reliably tell apart unless seen side-by-side. And you have no guarantee that such modifiers are handled reliably on all platforms. The transcription is not the issue, recognition is. (And ICANN should have registered the LCANN domain name defensively :) ) A./
Larry
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*From:* UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Tan Tanaka, Dennis via UA-discuss *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2019 6:28 AM *To:* ajay@data.in; lars.steffen@eco.de; ua-discuss@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.
As I understand it, email administrators have freedom to set up their own policies as to mailbox names, filters, etc. Even if an email address is syntactically correct, it doesn’t mean it cannot be rejected by system policy. If a particular service is rejecting email addresses just because they are using letters of other alphabets that might be a problem UASG would want to take part of. In the case of symbols (e.g. emojis) used in the mailbox name, what would be UASG angle here?
-Dennis
*From: *UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in>> *Date: *Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 8:58 AM *To: *Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de <mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de>>, "UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org>" <ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.
Emoji in Email address example is neither part of IDN nor DNS. Here it is part of mailbox name.
My idea of sharing is that Google and office365 receives email successfully from email address where mailbox contains emoji, outlook deals it just like normal email and gmail shows it dangerous.
*Dr. Ajay Data** *Founder & CEO
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*From:* Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de <mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de>> MailId : [90320017] *To:* Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in>>,universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. *Date:* 11 Apr 2019 05:19:02 PM
May I quote from the 2 March 2018:
..what we agreed to is that emojis are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As such it is out of scope for UASG.
Lars
*Von: *UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>> im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in>> *Datum: *Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10 *An: *universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> *Betreff: *[UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.
Some Interesting things to note:
I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address with heart shape. ❤@data.in and ♥@data.in
( ❤ - xn--qei and ♥ - xn--g6h )
When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile devices these above hearts are shown in different red shades.
However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook, they consider this as Spam. Not only spam, Gmail displays the following warning. -
*This message seems dangerous*
The sender’s email address uses abnormal characters, which might be used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying to this message.
Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our views around it.
*Dr. Ajay Data** *Founder & CEO
[XGENFOOTER]
[-XGENFOOTER]
Do not Remove: [HID]20190411124031186[-HID]
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It is dangerous, stated many times. And so it is out of scope for UASG. пт, 12 апр. 2019 г. в 03:30, Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in>:
Emoji in Email address example is neither part of IDN nor DNS. Here it is part of mailbox name.
My idea of sharing is that Google and office365 receives email successfully from email address where mailbox contains emoji, outlook deals it just like normal email and gmail shows it dangerous.
*Dr. Ajay Data*Founder & CEO ------------------------------ *From:* Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de> MailId : [90320017] *To:* Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in>,universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. *Date:* 11 Apr 2019 05:19:02 PM
May I quote from the 2 March 2018:
..what we agreed to is that emojis are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As such it is out of scope for UASG.
Lars
*Von: *UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in> *Datum: *Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10 *An: *universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org> *Betreff: *[UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.
Some Interesting things to note:
I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address with heart shape. ❤@data.in and ♥@data.in
( ❤ - xn--qei and ♥ - xn--g6h )
When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile devices these above hearts are shown in different red shades.
However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook, they consider this as Spam. Not only spam, Gmail displays the following warning. -
*This message seems dangerous*
The sender’s email address uses abnormal characters, which might be used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying to this message.
Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our views around it.
*Dr. Ajay Data* Founder & CEO
[XGENFOOTER]
[-XGENFOOTER]
Do not Remove: [HID]20190411124031186[-HID]
[image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.][image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]
-- Andrey Kolesnikov RIPN.NET
On 4/15/2019 8:51 AM, Andrei Kolesnikov wrote:
It is dangerous, stated many times. And so it is out of scope for UASG.
The reason this keeps coming up is the way "out-of-scope" is understood differently. One meaning is "not interesting, won't talk about, somebody else's concern". Another interpretation would be "Universal Acceptance explicitly does not apply" (e.g. because these are dangerous). I guess, people want to see the second interpretation of "out-of-scope" stated more emphatically. However, even inside the valid IDNs there are many problematic issues (see e-mail by Andre and my follow-up). Those issues may require a discussion whether "universal acceptance" and "uncritical acceptance" are the same thing. A./
пт, 12 апр. 2019 г. в 03:30, Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in>>:
Emoji in Email address example is neither part of IDN nor DNS. Here it is part of mailbox name.
My idea of sharing is that Google and office365 receives email successfully from email address where mailbox contains emoji, outlook deals it just like normal email and gmail shows it dangerous. *Dr. Ajay Data *Founder & CEO ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de <mailto:lars.steffen@eco.de>> MailId : [90320017] *To:* Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in>>,universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name. *Date:* 11 Apr 2019 05:19:02 PM
May I quote from the 2 March 2018:
..what we agreed to is that emojis are not part of the current standard for IDN/DNS. As such it is out of scope for UASG.
Lars
*Von: *UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>> im Auftrag von Dr Ajay Data <ajay@data.in <mailto:ajay@data.in>> *Datum: *Donnerstag, 11. April 2019 um 09:10 *An: *universal access <ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> *Betreff: *[UA-discuss] interesting to note about emoji in mailbox name.
Some Interesting things to note:
I am testing with Two working Valid Email Address with heart shape. ❤@data.in <http://data.in> and ♥@data.in <http://data.in>
( ❤ - xn--qei and ♥ - xn--g6h )
When I receive email from the above ID`s, In mobile devices these above hearts are shown in different red shades.
However If I send email to Gmail / Outlook, they consider this as Spam. Not only spam, Gmail displays the following warning. -
*This message seems dangerous*
The sender’s email address uses abnormal characters, which might be used to spoof real addresses. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying to this message.
Probably, we need to discuss this too and have our views around it.
*Dr. Ajay Data** *Founder & CEO
[XGENFOOTER]
[-XGENFOOTER]
Do not Remove: [HID]20190411124031186[-HID]
Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.
-- Andrey Kolesnikov RIPN.NET <http://RIPN.NET>
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