Or alternatively, is the hackathon something that can be done over the Internet, with the hub in Morocco ? satish On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Jennifer Gore Standiford < JStandiford@web.com> wrote:

And to that point, travel to Morocco is pretty expensive. Perhaps another location would be less costly (and more appealing).. It doesn't necessarily need to be associated with an ICANN event does it?

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On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:

What do people think is the likelihood actual coders will be at an ICANN meeting? (I confess I think it low.).

A -- Andrew Sullivan Please excuse my clumbsy thums.

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On Nov 6, 2015, at 14:09, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

ICANN, through Cyrus Namazi, has raised the idea of supporting a “Hackathon” in conjunction with ICANN55 in Morocco.

A “Hackathon” is where a bunch of geeks gather for a short period of time – one or two days – and code to solve problems.

At the UA Discuss call yesterday there was strong interest in supporting such an event, but we ran out of time to reach any meaningful conclusion.

So, this thread is to instigate discussion, ideas, and volunteers to help drive it forward.

Your thoughts, please….

All, Unfortunately, I agree with Ram here. I want to get excited about how we can accomplish such an event that will achieve some “needle-moving” results. That said, I’m not sure what we would be “hacking” on yet. Also agree on the question of ICANN as an event being thee right location for such an effort once-defined. I suggest we not rush this concept, but continue to have ongoing open discussion regarding it as part of the combined UASG project teams with a goal of defining the event concept by Marrakech. Thoughts always appreciated, --Rich Richard Merdinger VP, Domains – GoDaddy e: rmerdinger@godaddy.com s: richard.merdinger From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 10:29 AM To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>; UA-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 I’m skeptical of the success of a hackathon in Marrakesh, or indeed at an ICANN meeting. It needs developers, not policy people to make it successful. The probability of success will increase if co-located with a more developer friendly meeting, or in a University setting. -Ram From: Don Hollander [mailto:don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>] Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 12:09 AM To: UA-discuss@icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 ICANN, through Cyrus Namazi, has raised the idea of supporting a “Hackathon” in conjunction with ICANN55 in Morocco. A “Hackathon” is where a bunch of geeks gather for a short period of time – one or two days – and code to solve problems. At the UA Discuss call yesterday there was strong interest in supporting such an event, but we ran out of time to reach any meaningful conclusion. So, this thread is to instigate discussion, ideas, and volunteers to help drive it forward. Your thoughts, please….

That depends on target mission; if the Hackathon goal would be to develop or fix software for right-to-left scripts like Arabic, Marrakech sounds like a good place. If it's something more generic like new gTLDs acceptance, then not. Rubens

Em 6 de nov de 2015, à(s) 15:41:000, Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com> escreveu:

I do like the idea of a hackathon, but not at ICANN. These might have been better:

http://opensourcebridge.org/ <http://opensourcebridge.org/> http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015 <http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015> or http://businessofsoftware.org/ <http://businessofsoftware.org/> or https://www.gala-global.org/conference/gala-annual-conference-2016 <https://www.gala-global.org/conference/gala-annual-conference-2016> or …?

  <> From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Richard Merdinger Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 8:56 AM To: Ram Mohan; Don Hollander; UA-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

All, Unfortunately, I agree with Ram here. I want to get excited about how we can accomplish such an event that will achieve some “needle-moving” results. That said, I’m not sure what we would be “hacking” on yet. Also agree on the question of ICANN as an event being thee right location for such an effort once-defined.

I suggest we not rush this concept, but continue to have ongoing open discussion regarding it as part of the combined UASG project teams with a goal of defining the event concept by Marrakech.

Thoughts always appreciated,

--Rich Richard Merdinger VP, Domains – GoDaddy e: rmerdinger@godaddy.com <mailto:rmerdinger@godaddy.com> s: richard.merdinger

From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 10:29 AM To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>>; UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

I’m skeptical of the success of a hackathon in Marrakesh, or indeed at an ICANN meeting. It needs developers, not policy people to make it successful.

The probability of success will increase if co-located with a more developer friendly meeting, or in a University setting.

-Ram

From: Don Hollander [mailto:don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>] Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 12:09 AM To: UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

ICANN, through Cyrus Namazi, has raised the idea of supporting a “Hackathon” in conjunction with ICANN55 in Morocco.

A “Hackathon” is where a bunch of geeks gather for a short period of time – one or two days – and code to solve problems.

At the UA Discuss call yesterday there was strong interest in supporting such an event, but we ran out of time to reach any meaningful conclusion.

So, this thread is to instigate discussion, ideas, and volunteers to help drive it forward.

Your thoughts, please….

Dear all, Every event can be a place for Hackathon. There are Hackathons as a side events on school, scientific and education events, on fairs... even as a standalone events. Crucial questions are: 1. Can we gather programmers on this Hackathon? It's rather easy to organize Hackathon on IETF meetings... but on ICANN meeting? Don't expect to find programmers among participants of ICANN meetings. We could have some locals, but we need to invest money to bring them there (travel and accommodation support at least). How much is that, roughly? 2. If we do so, Hackathon will be side event and first of this kind on ICANN meetings. This fact can trigger huge interest among ICANN participants, if we do good work with PR (especially announcing event). Let say - we can handle that well. But - we better have something useful as a result of this Hackathon (good apps or whatever), or it will be complete fiasco. Empty story in PR sense. And right to left writings in Maroko, this is nice idea. So, we need GOOOD programers (money), GOOOD PR campaign (money) and GOOOD results (depends on the money spent on first two things in sentence). And the real question is> How much money we need for this and will ICANN this amount of money? If they want to pay all that - let's have Hackathon, I am in and volunteering to help. (Every problem can be solved with the money. If the problem cannot be solved with the money, it can be solved with large amount of money ;) ) My two cents Dusan On 6.11.2015 19:02, Mark Svancarek wrote:

Marrakech as a city for a hackathon makes sense to me, but ICANN 55 as a venue does not.

*From:*Rubens Kuhl [mailto:rubensk@nic.br] *Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2015 9:50 AM *To:* Mark Svancarek *Cc:* Richard Merdinger; Ram Mohan; Don Hollander; UA-discuss@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

That depends on target mission; if the Hackathon goal would be to develop or fix software for right-to-left scripts like Arabic, Marrakech sounds like a good place. If it's something more generic like new gTLDs acceptance, then not.

Rubens

Em 6 de nov de 2015, à(s) 15:41:000, Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com <mailto:marksv@microsoft.com>> escreveu:

I do like the idea of a hackathon, but not at ICANN. These might have been better:

http://opensourcebridge.org/ <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fopensourcebr...>

http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fconferences....>

or

http://businessofsoftware.org/ <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fbusinessofso...>

or

https://www.gala-global.org/conference/gala-annual-conference-2016 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.gala-gl...>

or

…?

*From:*ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org]*On Behalf Of*Richard Merdinger *Sent:*Friday, November 6, 2015 8:56 AM *To:*Ram Mohan; Don Hollander; UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> *Subject:*Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

All,

Unfortunately, I agree with Ram here. I want to get excited about how we can accomplish such an event that will achieve some “needle-moving” results. That said, I’m not sure what we would be “hacking” on yet. Also agree on the question of ICANN as an event being thee right location for such an effort once-defined.

I suggest we not rush this concept, but continue to have ongoing open discussion regarding it as part of the combined UASG project teams with a goal of defining the event concept by Marrakech.

Thoughts always appreciated,

--Rich

Richard Merdinger

VP, Domains – GoDaddy

e:rmerdinger@godaddy.com <mailto:rmerdinger@godaddy.com>

s: richard.merdinger

*From:*ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>[mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org]*On Behalf Of*Ram Mohan *Sent:*Friday, November 06, 2015 10:29 AM *To:*Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>>;UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> *Subject:*Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

I’m skeptical of the success of a hackathon in Marrakesh, or indeed at an ICANN meeting. It needs developers, not policy people to make it successful.

The probability of success will increase if co-located with a more developer friendly meeting, or in a University setting.

-Ram

*From:*Don Hollander [mailto:don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>] *Sent:*Friday, November 06, 2015 12:09 AM *To:*UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> *Subject:*[UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

ICANN, through Cyrus Namazi, has raised the idea of supporting a “Hackathon” in conjunction with ICANN55 in Morocco.

A “Hackathon” is where a bunch of geeks gather for a short period of time – one or two days – and code to solve problems.

At the UA Discuss call yesterday there was strong interest in supporting such an event, but we ran out of time to reach any meaningful conclusion.

So, this thread is to instigate discussion, ideas, and volunteers to help drive it forward.

Your thoughts, please….

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Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55: 1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there 3) Some of the folks within ICANN see a Hackathon as an opportunity to raise awareness about ICT generally and provide a focal point for software engineers specifically in the country/region. 4) If this happens, there will be a lot of work to do - because few of us have explicit Hackathon experience, and none, I believe, will have Hackathon experience in Morocco. 5) That said, it would be a nice place to pilot such an activity - and possibly get some results out from it. 6) The next two ICANN meetings are also in what I would call developing ICT communities - Panama and San Juan. So, while there may be better venues for more productive results, working to develop a Hackathon in Morocco in conjunction with ICANN55 would be a good thing - for the local ICT community for sure and for UA and for the global geekdom. My suggestion is that we agree to proceed to the next step with the folks at ICANN and see what they need from us. Is it technical skills? Is it prizes? T-Shirts? Mentors? Your thoughts… Don

On 7/11/2015, at 1:40 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote:

IETF sounds like a more appropriate venue. They already do organize one: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/agenda.html <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/agenda.html> Edmon   <> From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Dusan Stojicevic Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 7:19 AM To: ua-discuss@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

Dear all,

Every event can be a place for Hackathon. There are Hackathons as a side events on school, scientific and education events, on fairs... even as a standalone events. Crucial questions are: 1. Can we gather programmers on this Hackathon? It's rather easy to organize Hackathon on IETF meetings... but on ICANN meeting? Don't expect to find programmers among participants of ICANN meetings. We could have some locals, but we need to invest money to bring them there (travel and accommodation support at least). How much is that, roughly? 2. If we do so, Hackathon will be side event and first of this kind on ICANN meetings. This fact can trigger huge interest among ICANN participants, if we do good work with PR (especially announcing event). Let say - we can handle that well. But - we better have something useful as a result of this Hackathon (good apps or whatever), or it will be complete fiasco. Empty story in PR sense. And right to left writings in Maroko, this is nice idea. So, we need GOOOD programers (money), GOOOD PR campaign (money) and GOOOD results (depends on the money spent on first two things in sentence). And the real question is> How much money we need for this and will ICANN this amount of money?

If they want to pay all that - let's have Hackathon, I am in and volunteering to help. (Every problem can be solved with the money. If the problem cannot be solved with the money, it can be solved with large amount of money ;) )

My two cents Dusan

On 6.11.2015 19:02, Mark Svancarek wrote:

...

Marrakech as a city for a hackathon makes sense to me, but ICANN 55 as a venue does not.

From: Rubens Kuhl [mailto:rubensk@nic.br <mailto:rubensk@nic.br>] Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 9:50 AM To: Mark Svancarek Cc: Richard Merdinger; Ram Mohan; Don Hollander; UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

That depends on target mission; if the Hackathon goal would be to develop or fix software for right-to-left scripts like Arabic, Marrakech sounds like a good place. If it's something more generic like new gTLDs acceptance, then not.

Rubens

...

Em 6 de nov de 2015, à(s) 15:41:000, Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com <mailto:marksv@microsoft.com>> escreveu:

I do like the idea of a hackathon, but not at ICANN. These might have been better:

http://opensourcebridge.org/ <http://opensourcebridge.org/> http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015 <http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015> or http://businessofsoftware.org/ <http://businessofsoftware.org/> or https://www.gala-global.org/conference/gala-annual-conference-2016 <https://www.gala-global.org/conference/gala-annual-conference-2016> or …?

From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Richard Merdinger Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 8:56 AM To: Ram Mohan; Don Hollander; UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

All, Unfortunately, I agree with Ram here. I want to get excited about how we can accomplish such an event that will achieve some “needle-moving” results. That said, I’m not sure what we would be “hacking” on yet. Also agree on the question of ICANN as an event being thee right location for such an effort once-defined.

I suggest we not rush this concept, but continue to have ongoing open discussion regarding it as part of the combined UASG project teams with a goal of defining the event concept by Marrakech.

Thoughts always appreciated,

--Rich Richard Merdinger VP, Domains – GoDaddy e: rmerdinger@godaddy.com <mailto:rmerdinger@godaddy.com> s: richard.merdinger

From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 10:29 AM To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>>; UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

I’m skeptical of the success of a hackathon in Marrakesh, or indeed at an ICANN meeting. It needs developers, not policy people to make it successful.

The probability of success will increase if co-located with a more developer friendly meeting, or in a University setting.

-Ram

From: Don Hollander [mailto:don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>] Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 12:09 AM To: UA-discuss@icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55

ICANN, through Cyrus Namazi, has raised the idea of supporting a “Hackathon” in conjunction with ICANN55 in Morocco.

A “Hackathon” is where a bunch of geeks gather for a short period of time – one or two days – and code to solve problems.

At the UA Discuss call yesterday there was strong interest in supporting such an event, but we ran out of time to reach any meaningful conclusion.

So, this thread is to instigate discussion, ideas, and volunteers to help drive it forward.

Your thoughts, please….

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Don, I suggest that someone interested in taking the lead on this initiative engage with these folks (or others) to understand the what’s and how’s of a hackathon, and then get back to the group with the findings. http://angelhack.com/events/ https://www.hackerleague.org/ my two cents -Dennis From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Don Hollander Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:20 PM To: edmon@registry.asia Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55: 1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there 3) Some of the folks within ICANN see a Hackathon as an opportunity to raise awareness about ICT generally and provide a focal point for software engineers specifically in the country/region. 4) If this happens, there will be a lot of work to do - because few of us have explicit Hackathon experience, and none, I believe, will have Hackathon experience in Morocco. 5) That said, it would be a nice place to pilot such an activity - and possibly get some results out from it. 6) The next two ICANN meetings are also in what I would call developing ICT communities - Panama and San Juan. So, while there may be better venues for more productive results, working to develop a Hackathon in Morocco in conjunction with ICANN55 would be a good thing - for the local ICT community for sure and for UA and for the global geekdom. My suggestion is that we agree to proceed to the next step with the folks at ICANN and see what they need from us. Is it technical skills? Is it prizes? T-Shirts? Mentors? Your thoughts… Don On 7/11/2015, at 1:40 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote: IETF sounds like a more appropriate venue. They already do organize one: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/agenda.html> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/agenda.html Edmon From: <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [ <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Dusan Stojicevic Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 7:19 AM To: <mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 Dear all, Every event can be a place for Hackathon. There are Hackathons as a side events on school, scientific and education events, on fairs... even as a standalone events. Crucial questions are: 1. Can we gather programmers on this Hackathon? It's rather easy to organize Hackathon on IETF meetings... but on ICANN meeting? Don't expect to find programmers among participants of ICANN meetings. We could have some locals, but we need to invest money to bring them there (travel and accommodation support at least). How much is that, roughly? 2. If we do so, Hackathon will be side event and first of this kind on ICANN meetings. This fact can trigger huge interest among ICANN participants, if we do good work with PR (especially announcing event). Let say - we can handle that well. But - we better have something useful as a result of this Hackathon (good apps or whatever), or it will be complete fiasco. Empty story in PR sense. And right to left writings in Maroko, this is nice idea. So, we need GOOOD programers (money), GOOOD PR campaign (money) and GOOOD results (depends on the money spent on first two things in sentence). And the real question is> How much money we need for this and will ICANN this amount of money? If they want to pay all that - let's have Hackathon, I am in and volunteering to help. (Every problem can be solved with the money. If the problem cannot be solved with the money, it can be solved with large amount of money ;) ) My two cents Dusan On 6.11.2015 19:02, Mark Svancarek wrote: Marrakech as a city for a hackathon makes sense to me, but ICANN 55 as a venue does not. From: Rubens Kuhl [ <mailto:rubensk@nic.br> mailto:rubensk@nic.br] Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 9:50 AM To: Mark Svancarek Cc: Richard Merdinger; Ram Mohan; Don Hollander; <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> UA-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 That depends on target mission; if the Hackathon goal would be to develop or fix software for right-to-left scripts like Arabic, Marrakech sounds like a good place. If it's something more generic like new gTLDs acceptance, then not. Rubens Em 6 de nov de 2015, à(s) 15:41:000, Mark Svancarek < <mailto:marksv@microsoft.com> marksv@microsoft.com> escreveu: I do like the idea of a hackathon, but not at ICANN. These might have been better: <http://opensourcebridge.org/> http://opensourcebridge.org/ <http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015> http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015 or <http://businessofsoftware.org/> http://businessofsoftware.org/ or <https://www.gala-global.org/conference/gala-annual-conference-2016> https://www.gala-global.org/conference/gala-annual-conference-2016 or …? From: <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [ <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Richard Merdinger Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 8:56 AM To: Ram Mohan; Don Hollander; <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> UA-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 All, Unfortunately, I agree with Ram here. I want to get excited about how we can accomplish such an event that will achieve some “needle-moving” results. That said, I’m not sure what we would be “hacking” on yet. Also agree on the question of ICANN as an event being thee right location for such an effort once-defined. I suggest we not rush this concept, but continue to have ongoing open discussion regarding it as part of the combined UASG project teams with a goal of defining the event concept by Marrakech. Thoughts always appreciated, --Rich Richard Merdinger VP, Domains – GoDaddy e: <mailto:rmerdinger@godaddy.com> rmerdinger@godaddy.com s: richard.merdinger From: <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [ <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 10:29 AM To: Don Hollander < <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org> don.hollander@icann.org>; <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> UA-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 I’m skeptical of the success of a hackathon in Marrakesh, or indeed at an ICANN meeting. It needs developers, not policy people to make it successful. The probability of success will increase if co-located with a more developer friendly meeting, or in a University setting. -Ram From: Don Hollander [mailto: <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org> don.hollander@icann.org] Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 12:09 AM To: <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> UA-discuss@icann.org Subject: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 ICANN, through Cyrus Namazi, has raised the idea of supporting a “Hackathon” in conjunction with ICANN55 in Morocco. A “Hackathon” is where a bunch of geeks gather for a short period of time – one or two days – and code to solve problems. At the UA Discuss call yesterday there was strong interest in supporting such an event, but we ran out of time to reach any meaningful conclusion. So, this thread is to instigate discussion, ideas, and volunteers to help drive it forward. 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This email is to request comment from Brent and any Apple representatives regarding Google Pay being recently invoked by Apple CEO Timothy Cook as one of two major "buying and selling" systems within an inevitable cashless society, the other being Apple's pay system: Timothy stated, "The next generation will not know what money is.". All members of UA and ICANN should be brought up to speed on Timothy's assertion that learning restrictions will be being applied to ICANN and the internet, so that the rest of us can know exactly how such a feat of history deletion and restrictions on the learning and conveyance of historical knowledge would be logically accomplished in such a short period of time. For example: 1) Would older generations not be allowed to describe physical money to younger generations? 2) What date will those conveyance and learning restrictions begin? 3) Will UA and ICANN be forced to participate in the deletion of all photographs, records and mentions of physical money from the internet? 4) Will libraries be forced to discard books that mention or depict physical money? 5) Will ccwg-accountability have to add language to their proposal for the NTIA to resteict future ICANN members from using their connections to Apple and Google against other ICANN members they disagree with on a certain issues as a future intimidation tactic? 6) Is Timothy Cook asserting personal, intellectual control over the next generation of people by claiming to know, without any doubt, what they will and will not know or be able to learn about at an unspecified time of his choosing? It is one thing to claim that the next generation will not use physical money, but to make such an assertion on what human beings will be aware of and learn about in terms of what they can and cannot learn, as Timothy made, seems to be a stretch of the imagination. Unless of course, Brent and any Apple representatives can fill the rest of us in, respectfully, on the vague process alluded to by Timothy Cook today. If the CEO of a major corporation can assert what humans can possibly learn about in the future, should not such an assertion be at least considered by ICANN's and UA's mission of a free and open internet for all? Ron

NASA has stated many times that a solar storm could temporarily knock out out the power grid, and without physical money at that hypothetical juncture, people will have to barter. Other possibilities exist now and in the future which make it realistic to expect the safe guard of physical money to stick around at least a few more generations incase of a failed grid event, unless Tim Cook knows thhe future and he knows there will never be a Solar Storm ever again, it just boggles the mind how someone so connected to thoughtful people, especially in the cyber-security industry, could completely discount and disregard Solar activity, where taking money out of circulation would cause a 100% reliance on technology for payments. It would take a while, too long, to reprint and recirculate physical money if that became necessary. In regards to this topic being relevant to Universal Acceptance's charter, it is because Tim Cook is an influential person in the tech industry and added confusion about the future of the internet, stating there will be a mandatory degree of restricted learning and restricted knowledge conveyance to the next generation via a process only he seems to know about. The language and code additions UA is making in regards to language and other internet necessities should not be deterred, affected by or confused in that described dystopian future by such an unclarified, alternate vision of the future internet. How can any ICANN working group perform its function to the best of ts abilities, building a better and inclusive internet, when arguably the top Tech CEO in the world alludes to being privy to a future reality ICANN isn't privy to? And if Apple asserts that the next generation will not know what money is, and ICANN and Apple are in the same exact industry, then ICANN has a responsibility in my opinion to at least ask someone at Apple how such an implausible reality will be made possible. Non-germane topics would more likely include gardening, sports and/or fashion advice. One possibility I thought of as to why such a vague statement was put out there by Tim, is that since everything about the tech industry's daily grind must be exact and precise, once it is time to speak people subconciously go to the opposite mindset extreme, talking vaguely in an effort to even out their robotic and exhaustive efforts with what feels like an excercise in philosophy. As a solution to the recurrence of such subconsious rebalancing of the precision-based mindset with philosophical vague assertions, language graduates should be hired by the tech industry to advise industry leaders on how to limit overall global confusion via their spoken words, symbols and slogans, to speed up progress. Ron

Ron, we’re about domain names and email addresses, nothing else. Anything not related to those topics, such as this thread, are random distractions. Please stay on topic. From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:10 PM To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay This is close to spamming the list. From: Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:39 PM To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info<mailto:rmohan@afilias.info>> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay NASA has stated many times that a solar storm could temporarily knock out out the power grid, and without physical money at that hypothetical juncture, people will have to barter. Other possibilities exist now and in the future which make it realistic to expect the safe guard of physical money to stick around at least a few more generations incase of a failed grid event, unless Tim Cook knows thhe future and he knows there will never be a Solar Storm ever again, it just boggles the mind how someone so connected to thoughtful people, especially in the cyber-security industry, could completely discount and disregard Solar activity, where taking money out of circulation would cause a 100% reliance on technology for payments. It would take a while, too long, to reprint and recirculate physical money if that became necessary. In regards to this topic being relevant to Universal Acceptance's charter, it is because Tim Cook is an influential person in the tech industry and added confusion about the future of the internet, stating there will be a mandatory degree of restricted learning and restricted knowledge conveyance to the next generation via a process only he seems to know about. The language and code additions UA is making in regards to language and other internet necessities should not be deterred, affected by or confused in that described dystopian future by such an unclarified, alternate vision of the future internet. How can any ICANN working group perform its function to the best of ts abilities, building a better and inclusive internet, when arguably the top Tech CEO in the world alludes to being privy to a future reality ICANN isn't privy to? And if Apple asserts that the next generation will not know what money is, and ICANN and Apple are in the same exact industry, then ICANN has a responsibility in my opinion to at least ask someone at Apple how such an implausible reality will be made possible. Non-germane topics would more likely include gardening, sports and/or fashion advice. One possibility I thought of as to why such a vague statement was put out there by Tim, is that since everything about the tech industry's daily grind must be exact and precise, once it is time to speak people subconciously go to the opposite mindset extreme, talking vaguely in an effort to even out their robotic and exhaustive efforts with what feels like an excercise in philosophy. As a solution to the recurrence of such subconsious rebalancing of the precision-based mindset with philosophical vague assertions, language graduates should be hired by the tech industry to advise industry leaders on how to limit overall global confusion via their spoken words, symbols and slogans, to speed up progress. Ron ________________________________ From: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info<mailto:rmohan@afilias.info>>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 1:50:46 PM This is not germane to the universal acceptance topic or charter. Ram On Nov 11, 2015 9:51 PM, "Ron Baione via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss@icann.org<javascript:return>> wrote: This email is to request comment from Brent and any Apple representatives regarding Google Pay being recently invoked by Apple CEO Timothy Cook as one of two major "buying and selling" systems within an inevitable cashless society, the other being Apple's pay system: Timothy stated, "The next generation will not know what money is.". All members of UA and ICANN should be brought up to speed on Timothy's assertion that learning restrictions will be being applied to ICANN and the internet, so that the rest of us can know exactly how such a feat of history deletion and restrictions on the learning and conveyance of historical knowledge would be logically accomplished in such a short period of time. For example: 1) Would older generations not be allowed to describe physical money to younger generations? 2) What date will those conveyance and learning restrictions begin? 3) Will UA and ICANN be forced to participate in the deletion of all photographs, records and mentions of physical money from the internet? 4) Will libraries be forced to discard books that mention or depict physical money? 5) Will ccwg-accountability have to add language to their proposal for the NTIA to resteict future ICANN members from using their connections to Apple and Google against other ICANN members they disagree with on a certain issues as a future intimidation tactic? 6) Is Timothy Cook asserting personal, intellectual control over the next generation of people by claiming to know, without any doubt, what they will and will not know or be able to learn about at an unspecified time of his choosing? It is one thing to claim that the next generation will not use physical money, but to make such an assertion on what human beings will be aware of and learn about in terms of what they can and cannot learn, as Timothy made, seems to be a stretch of the imagination. Unless of course, Brent and any Apple representatives can fill the rest of us in, respectfully, on the vague process alluded to by Timothy Cook today. If the CEO of a major corporation can assert what humans can possibly learn about in the future, should not such an assertion be at least considered by ICANN's and UA's mission of a free and open internet for all? Ron ________________________________ From: Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br<javascript:return>>; To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<javascript:return>>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org<javascript:return> <ua-discuss@icann.org<javascript:return>>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 12:18:09 AM

On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks. Rubens

Ron, Somehow curious: I didn't catch your affiliation, community, country... Maybe it's my fault, apologize for that if so, but I didn't saw you on any call or meeting and I don't know you. If You be so kind to introduce yourself better. Thank you in advance. Dusan Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona ---- Ron Baione via UA-discuss je napisao/la ----

Fair enough, you and Ram don't believe that the involved process of uncirculating all physical money, as well as the memory of that physical money having ever existed in the first place, within the time-frame of one generation of people, is relevant to domain names in any way.

Moving on then, the previous topic was whether or not there should be a hackathon at ICANN55, and as that seems to have been resolved, what is the current topic? Is it reverting back to the topic before that, whether or not google translator shows the link when adding a link to it?

Ron

From: Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com>; To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 9:54:51 PM

Ron, we’re about domain names and email addresses, nothing else.  Anything not related to those topics, such as this thread, are random distractions.  Please stay on topic.

 

From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:10 PM To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

 

This is close to spamming the list.

 

From: Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:39 PM To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

 

NASA has stated many times that a solar storm could temporarily knock out out the power grid, and without physical money at that hypothetical juncture, people will have to barter. Other possibilities exist now and in the future which make it realistic to expect the safe guard of physical money to stick around at least a few more generations incase of a failed grid event, unless Tim Cook knows thhe future and he knows there will never be a Solar Storm ever again, it just boggles the mind how someone so connected to thoughtful people, especially in the cyber-security industry, could completely discount and disregard Solar activity, where taking money out of circulation would cause a 100% reliance on technology for payments. It would take a while, too long, to reprint and recirculate physical money if that became necessary.

In regards to this topic being relevant to Universal Acceptance's charter, it is because Tim Cook is an influential person in the tech industry and added confusion about the future of the internet, stating there will be a mandatory degree of restricted learning and restricted knowledge conveyance to the next generation via a process only he seems to know about. The language and code additions UA is making in regards to language and other internet necessities should not be deterred, affected by or confused in that described dystopian future by such an unclarified, alternate vision of the future internet.

How can any ICANN working group perform its function to the best of ts abilities, building a better and inclusive internet, when arguably the top Tech CEO in the world alludes to being privy to a future reality ICANN isn't privy to? And if Apple asserts that the next generation will not know what money is, and ICANN and Apple are in the same exact industry, then ICANN has a responsibility in my opinion to at least ask someone at Apple how such an implausible reality will be made possible.

Non-germane topics would more likely include gardening, sports and/or fashion advice. One possibility I thought of as to why such a vague statement was put out there by Tim, is that since everything about the tech industry's daily grind must be exact and precise, once it is time to speak people subconciously go to the opposite mindset extreme, talking vaguely in an effort to even out their robotic and exhaustive efforts with what feels like an excercise in philosophy. As a solution to the recurrence of such subconsious rebalancing of the precision-based mindset with philosophical vague assertions, language graduates should be hired by the tech industry to advise industry leaders on how to limit overall global confusion via their spoken words, symbols and slogans, to speed up progress.

Ron

 

From: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 1:50:46 PM

 

This is not germane to the universal acceptance topic or charter.

Ram

On Nov 11, 2015 9:51 PM, "Ron Baione via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss@icann.org> wrote:

This email is to request comment from Brent and any Apple representatives regarding Google Pay being recently invoked by Apple CEO Timothy Cook as one of two major "buying and selling" systems within an inevitable cashless society, the other being Apple's pay system:

Timothy stated, "The next generation will not know what money is.". All members of UA and ICANN should be brought up to speed on Timothy's assertion that learning restrictions will be being applied to ICANN and the internet, so that the rest of us can know exactly how such a feat of history deletion and restrictions on the learning and conveyance of historical knowledge would be logically accomplished in such a short period of time. For example:

1) Would older generations not be allowed to describe physical money to younger generations?

2) What date will those conveyance and learning restrictions begin?

3) Will UA and ICANN be forced to participate in the deletion of all photographs, records and mentions of physical money from the internet?

4) Will libraries be forced to discard books that mention or depict physical money?

5) Will ccwg-accountability have to add language to their proposal for the NTIA to resteict future ICANN members from using their connections to Apple and Google against other ICANN members they disagree with on a certain issues as a future intimidation tactic?

6) Is Timothy Cook asserting personal, intellectual control over the next generation of people by claiming to know, without any doubt, what they will and will not know or be able to learn about at an unspecified time of his choosing?

It is one thing to claim that the next generation will not use physical money, but to make such an assertion on what human beings will be aware of and learn about in terms of what they can and cannot learn, as Timothy made, seems to be a stretch of the imagination. Unless of course, Brent and any Apple representatives can fill the rest of us in, respectfully, on the vague process alluded to by Timothy Cook today. If the CEO of a major corporation can assert what humans can possibly learn about in the future, should not such an assertion be at least considered by ICANN's and UA's mission of a free and open internet for all?

Ron

 

From: Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br>; To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 12:18:09 AM

 

...

On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region.  2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks.

Rubens

 

Ron, Thanks, that reminds me... I wasn't so clever and active as You at the beginning, I was quiet, doing reading and learning... and I was always using my real name, so people always knew who I am. Also, I didn't put the politics in my mails, like you did. Thanks, again for unreal reply, and if I may say so - if you want to continue to troll, please go somewhere else. Dusan Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona ---- Ron Baione je napisao/la ----

I was a grassroots newbie accepted just 3 months ago into ISOC NY, and I am participating in IGF, ISOC, ARIN and ICANN mailing lists and trying to learn as quickly as possible so that 4 or 5 years from now I can begin traveling around the world to be a knowledgeable conference participant. Since I only have the first version of the IPad, my ability to participate in calls via my IPad is not compatible with adobe connect, unfortunately.

From: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs>; To: Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com>; Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: ODG: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 12:20:36 AM

Ron,

Somehow curious: I didn't catch your affiliation, community, country... Maybe it's my fault, apologize for that if so, but I didn't saw you on any call or meeting and I don't know you. If You be so kind to introduce yourself better. Thank you in advance.

Dusan

Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona

---- Ron Baione via UA-discuss je napisao/la ----

Fair enough, you and Ram don't believe that the involved process of uncirculating all physical money, as well as the memory of that physical money having ever existed in the first place, within the time-frame of one generation of people, is relevant to domain names in any way.

Moving on then, the previous topic was whether or not there should be a hackathon at ICANN55, and as that seems to have been resolved, what is the current topic? Is it reverting back to the topic before that, whether or not google translator shows the link when adding a link to it?

Ron

From: Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com>; To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 9:54:51 PM

Ron, we’re about domain names and email addresses, nothing else.  Anything not related to those topics, such as this thread, are random distractions.  Please stay on topic.

 

From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:10 PM To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

 

This is close to spamming the list.

 

From: Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:39 PM To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

 

NASA has stated many times that a solar storm could temporarily knock out out the power grid, and without physical money at that hypothetical juncture, people will have to barter. Other possibilities exist now and in the future which make it realistic to expect the safe guard of physical money to stick around at least a few more generations incase of a failed grid event, unless Tim Cook knows thhe future and he knows there will never be a Solar Storm ever again, it just boggles the mind how someone so connected to thoughtful people, especially in the cyber-security industry, could completely discount and disregard Solar activity, where taking money out of circulation would cause a 100% reliance on technology for payments. It would take a while, too long, to reprint and recirculate physical money if that became necessary.

In regards to this topic being relevant to Universal Acceptance's charter, it is because Tim Cook is an influential person in the tech industry and added confusion about the future of the internet, stating there will be a mandatory degree of restricted learning and restricted knowledge conveyance to the next generation via a process only he seems to know about. The language and code additions UA is making in regards to language and other internet necessities should not be deterred, affected by or confused in that described dystopian future by such an unclarified, alternate vision of the future internet.

How can any ICANN working group perform its function to the best of ts abilities, building a better and inclusive internet, when arguably the top Tech CEO in the world alludes to being privy to a future reality ICANN isn't privy to? And if Apple asserts that the next generation will not know what money is, and ICANN and Apple are in the same exact industry, then ICANN has a responsibility in my opinion to at least ask someone at Apple how such an implausible reality will be made possible.

Non-germane topics would more likely include gardening, sports and/or fashion advice. One possibility I thought of as to why such a vague statement was put out there by Tim, is that since everything about the tech industry's daily grind must be exact and precise, once it is time to speak people subconciously go to the opposite mindset extreme, talking vaguely in an effort to even out their robotic and exhaustive efforts with what feels like an excercise in philosophy. As a solution to the recurrence of such subconsious rebalancing of the precision-based mindset with philosophical vague assertions, language graduates should be hired by the tech industry to advise industry leaders on how to limit overall global confusion via their spoken words, symbols and slogans, to speed up progress.

Ron

 

From: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 1:50:46 PM

 

This is not germane to the universal acceptance topic or charter.

Ram

On Nov 11, 2015 9:51 PM, "Ron Baione via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss@icann.org> wrote:

This email is to request comment from Brent and any Apple representatives regarding Google Pay being recently invoked by Apple CEO Timothy Cook as one of two major "buying and selling" systems within an inevitable cashless society, the other being Apple's pay system:

Timothy stated, "The next generation will not know what money is.". All members of UA and ICANN should be brought up to speed on Timothy's assertion that learning restrictions will be being applied to ICANN and the internet, so that the rest of us can know exactly how such a feat of history deletion and restrictions on the learning and conveyance of historical knowledge would be logically accomplished in such a short period of time. For example:

1) Would older generations not be allowed to describe physical money to younger generations?

2) What date will those conveyance and learning restrictions begin?

3) Will UA and ICANN be forced to participate in the deletion of all photographs, records and mentions of physical money from the internet?

4) Will libraries be forced to discard books that mention or depict physical money?

5) Will ccwg-accountability have to add language to their proposal for the NTIA to resteict future ICANN members from using their connections to Apple and Google against other ICANN members they disagree with on a certain issues as a future intimidation tactic?

6) Is Timothy Cook asserting personal, intellectual control over the next generation of people by claiming to know, without any doubt, what they will and will not know or be able to learn about at an unspecified time of his choosing?

It is one thing to claim that the next generation will not use physical money, but to make such an assertion on what human beings will be aware of and learn about in terms of what they can and cannot learn, as Timothy made, seems to be a stretch of the imagination. Unless of course, Brent and any Apple representatives can fill the rest of us in, respectfully, on the vague process alluded to by Timothy Cook today. If the CEO of a major corporation can assert what humans can possibly learn about in the future, should not such an assertion be at least considered by ICANN's and UA's mission of a free and open internet for all?

Ron

 

From: Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br>; To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 12:18:09 AM

 

...

On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region.  2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks.

Rubens

 

I don´t want to add any fuel to this but as a quite new member in the ICANN community as well I can´t agree with the described “ICANN playbook”. I still feel welcomed. And I do it like Dusan already described: Reading, learning and contributing to the topic – when I can. Works out really fine. Kind regards, Lars Von: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Ron Baione via UA-discuss Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2015 04:12 An: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Betreff: Re: [UA-discuss] ODG: Re: ODG: Re: Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Dus, I was more than half way through ICANN learn courses when Jeffrey Dunn updated the courses to be incompatible with my IPad (IOS 6.0 and greater compatibility). I asked him about what IOS ICANN learn would be compatible with and he claimed he didn't know what the courses were compatible with post-update, then, after deflecting the question until people got annoyed with the conversation, he said he did know. They key to the delay was that once people get annoyed, they tend to blame the new person rather than the knowledgable veteran, as they purposefully forget how the annoying conversation began. The ICANN playbook is the same in every group, it is a tried and true method to get rid of new people who don't "stay quiet" and are accused of being off the "topic", which is what is claimed as most important. The truth is most people here have other high paying jobs and they don't want to see emails from people they never heard of in their inbox as they try to do those difficult tasks. And even though there is no current "topic", (someone would have said what the current topic is by now) once someone claims the new person must "stick to the topic", the remaining steps play out as follows: 1) Accuse new person who doesn't stay quiet of spamming 2) Ask who the heck this new person is, affiliation, and then say you never heard of the person 3) Call new person a troll 4) After a few responses, back and forth, accuse the new person of "disruption" 5) Bring Disruptive matter to attention of group chair and ombudsman 6) First warning issued to new person for disruption 7) Second warning issued to new person for disruption 8) 15 day ban for disruption Right now we are on step 4. But think about it, Tim Cook claimed the internet would Universally Accept a cashless society, and an internet group called Universal Acceptance can't find a degree of relevance in his claim to its mission and charter, and he's the biggest Tech CEO on the planet. Pure irony to replace that interesting discussion with a claim of disrupting a non-existent topic, simply so that the people here with regular jobs don't have to "waste precious time" reading the posts of a so-assumed "nobody". Multistakeholderism failure at its worst if you ask me. If ICANN can't incorporate current new people who talk, then how can ICANN be trusted to incorporate new people who talk after the transition? ICANN group members want these groups closed off to the public in my opinion, but they can't do that. Heck if I had a big time job at hoogle I wouldn't want to read this post either, I wouldn't want to comment on Tim Cook. I understand. But people shouldn't have signed up for a multistakeholder group if they can't deal with the potential of a new person they never heard of who talks, rather they should go work for a run of the mill corporation, which they already do. Ron ________________________________ From: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs<mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>>; Subject: ODG: Re: ODG: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 1:16:01 AM Ron, Thanks, that reminds me... I wasn't so clever and active as You at the beginning, I was quiet, doing reading and learning... and I was always using my real name, so people always knew who I am. Also, I didn't put the politics in my mails, like you did. Thanks, again for unreal reply, and if I may say so - if you want to continue to troll, please go somewhere else. Dusan Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona ---- Ron Baione je napisao/la ---- I was a grassroots newbie accepted just 3 months ago into ISOC NY, and I am participating in IGF, ISOC, ARIN and ICANN mailing lists and trying to learn as quickly as possible so that 4 or 5 years from now I can begin traveling around the world to be a knowledgeable conference participant. Since I only have the first version of the IPad, my ability to participate in calls via my IPad is not compatible with adobe connect, unfortunately. ________________________________ From: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs<mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>>; To: Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com<mailto:marksv@microsoft.com>>; Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info<mailto:rmohan@afilias.info>>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>>; Subject: ODG: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 12:20:36 AM Ron, Somehow curious: I didn't catch your affiliation, community, country... Maybe it's my fault, apologize for that if so, but I didn't saw you on any call or meeting and I don't know you. If You be so kind to introduce yourself better. Thank you in advance. Dusan Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona ---- Ron Baione via UA-discuss je napisao/la ---- Fair enough, you and Ram don't believe that the involved process of uncirculating all physical money, as well as the memory of that physical money having ever existed in the first place, within the time-frame of one generation of people, is relevant to domain names in any way. Moving on then, the previous topic was whether or not there should be a hackathon at ICANN55, and as that seems to have been resolved, what is the current topic? Is it reverting back to the topic before that, whether or not google translator shows the link when adding a link to it? Ron ________________________________ From: Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com<mailto:marksv@microsoft.com>>; To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info<mailto:rmohan@afilias.info>>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>>; Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 9:54:51 PM Ron, we’re about domain names and email addresses, nothing else. Anything not related to those topics, such as this thread, are random distractions. Please stay on topic. From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:10 PM To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay This is close to spamming the list. From: Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:39 PM To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info<mailto:rmohan@afilias.info>> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay NASA has stated many times that a solar storm could temporarily knock out out the power grid, and without physical money at that hypothetical juncture, people will have to barter. Other possibilities exist now and in the future which make it realistic to expect the safe guard of physical money to stick around at least a few more generations incase of a failed grid event, unless Tim Cook knows thhe future and he knows there will never be a Solar Storm ever again, it just boggles the mind how someone so connected to thoughtful people, especially in the cyber-security industry, could completely discount and disregard Solar activity, where taking money out of circulation would cause a 100% reliance on technology for payments. It would take a while, too long, to reprint and recirculate physical money if that became necessary. In regards to this topic being relevant to Universal Acceptance's charter, it is because Tim Cook is an influential person in the tech industry and added confusion about the future of the internet, stating there will be a mandatory degree of restricted learning and restricted knowledge conveyance to the next generation via a process only he seems to know about. The language and code additions UA is making in regards to language and other internet necessities should not be deterred, affected by or confused in that described dystopian future by such an unclarified, alternate vision of the future internet. How can any ICANN working group perform its function to the best of ts abilities, building a better and inclusive internet, when arguably the top Tech CEO in the world alludes to being privy to a future reality ICANN isn't privy to? And if Apple asserts that the next generation will not know what money is, and ICANN and Apple are in the same exact industry, then ICANN has a responsibility in my opinion to at least ask someone at Apple how such an implausible reality will be made possible. Non-germane topics would more likely include gardening, sports and/or fashion advice. One possibility I thought of as to why such a vague statement was put out there by Tim, is that since everything about the tech industry's daily grind must be exact and precise, once it is time to speak people subconciously go to the opposite mindset extreme, talking vaguely in an effort to even out their robotic and exhaustive efforts with what feels like an excercise in philosophy. As a solution to the recurrence of such subconsious rebalancing of the precision-based mindset with philosophical vague assertions, language graduates should be hired by the tech industry to advise industry leaders on how to limit overall global confusion via their spoken words, symbols and slogans, to speed up progress. Ron ________________________________ From: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info<mailto:rmohan@afilias.info>>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 1:50:46 PM This is not germane to the universal acceptance topic or charter. Ram On Nov 11, 2015 9:51 PM, "Ron Baione via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> wrote: This email is to request comment from Brent and any Apple representatives regarding Google Pay being recently invoked by Apple CEO Timothy Cook as one of two major "buying and selling" systems within an inevitable cashless society, the other being Apple's pay system: Timothy stated, "The next generation will not know what money is.". All members of UA and ICANN should be brought up to speed on Timothy's assertion that learning restrictions will be being applied to ICANN and the internet, so that the rest of us can know exactly how such a feat of history deletion and restrictions on the learning and conveyance of historical knowledge would be logically accomplished in such a short period of time. For example: 1) Would older generations not be allowed to describe physical money to younger generations? 2) What date will those conveyance and learning restrictions begin? 3) Will UA and ICANN be forced to participate in the deletion of all photographs, records and mentions of physical money from the internet? 4) Will libraries be forced to discard books that mention or depict physical money? 5) Will ccwg-accountability have to add language to their proposal for the NTIA to resteict future ICANN members from using their connections to Apple and Google against other ICANN members they disagree with on a certain issues as a future intimidation tactic? 6) Is Timothy Cook asserting personal, intellectual control over the next generation of people by claiming to know, without any doubt, what they will and will not know or be able to learn about at an unspecified time of his choosing? It is one thing to claim that the next generation will not use physical money, but to make such an assertion on what human beings will be aware of and learn about in terms of what they can and cannot learn, as Timothy made, seems to be a stretch of the imagination. Unless of course, Brent and any Apple representatives can fill the rest of us in, respectfully, on the vague process alluded to by Timothy Cook today. If the CEO of a major corporation can assert what humans can possibly learn about in the future, should not such an assertion be at least considered by ICANN's and UA's mission of a free and open internet for all? Ron ________________________________ From: Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br<mailto:rubens@registro.br>>; To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 12:18:09 AM

On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks. Rubens

Dear Ron, Lars, Thank You both for contributing to the list, but this became off-topic. My fault is also here, and I want to apologize and explain what I thought it's obvious. This list is for discussion on UA issues and we're not discussing icann, Western or eastern politics. Icann is not the topic here, and there are other lists dedicated for changing and challenging icann multistake holder model. Try IANA transition or icann accountability wg's. We all read this list. And whenever you disagree, you must listen to others. F.E. when discussing logo, there are bunch of them who literally voted for this sign, and there is only you that have strong different opinion. On the other hand, if You don't like the logo, it doesn't mean that you didn't contribute. You added a flavor, bit of questioning inside every head, whether it's good or bad choice. But, nobody has changed his mind and the decision was made. If you continue to blame for this "lousy" decision icann, msh model, invent playbook or continue to talk off topic then You simply - trolling. It's not about who is right or wrong, it's a discussion. There can be as many opinion as number of participants of the list, and if we don't listen to others and make compromises, there will be no solution. You must get the sense why we are here and what's need to be done, and that there is a lot of people who may think differently. That's why we all need to listen eachothers, keep avoiding stereotypes, and try helping. And if You want to continue to prove that only your opinion is right and everything else is wrong, then it's obvious how you get your playbook for icann wg's. It's not about wg's, it's about you. You are listening only yourself, and moderators are simply fulfilling your wishes. Along with my apologies, I want to tell you that by listening you learn. By pushing only your opinion and not listening others - the list is not for you, because what you're doing is not discussion. My apologies also for this off topic mail. Cheers, Dusan Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona ---- Ron Baione via UA-discuss je napisao/la ----

Lars,

I'm contributing when I can, reading and learning as well, but try to disagree with the system or criticize it and see how those who demand obedience to their heirarchy of employement status call you "a troll". ICANN's system doesn't know any other way to respond to criticism than using the playbook to get rid of the criticizer. Or they don't respond at all, in the case of the symbol used on UA documents depicting a face without a mouth and the words Universal Acceptance where the mouth would be. I intellectually challenge you to criticize ICANN as a test to see if I am correct.

Ron

From: Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de>; To: 'Ron Baione' <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: AW: [UA-discuss] ODG: Re: ODG: Re: Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2015 12:04:25 PM

I don´t want to add any fuel to this but as a quite new member in the ICANN community as well I can´t agree with the described “ICANN playbook”. I still feel welcomed. And I do it like Dusan already described: Reading, learning and contributing to the topic – when I can. Works out really fine.

Kind regards,

Lars

 

Von: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Ron Baione via UA-discuss Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2015 04:12 An: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Betreff: Re: [UA-discuss] ODG: Re: ODG: Re: Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

 

Dus,

I was more than half way through ICANN learn courses when Jeffrey Dunn updated the courses to be incompatible with my IPad (IOS 6.0 and greater compatibility). I asked him about what IOS ICANN learn would be compatible with and he claimed he didn't know what the courses were compatible with post-update, then, after deflecting the question until people got annoyed with the conversation, he said he did know. They key to the delay was that once people get annoyed, they tend to blame the new person rather than the knowledgable veteran, as they purposefully forget how the annoying conversation began.

The ICANN playbook is the same in every group, it is a tried and true method to get rid of new people who don't "stay quiet" and are accused of being off the "topic", which is what is claimed as most important. The truth is most people here have other high paying jobs and they don't want to see emails from people they never heard of in their inbox as they try to do those difficult tasks. And even though there is no current "topic", (someone would have said what the current topic is by now) once someone claims the new person must "stick to the topic", the remaining steps play out as follows:

1) Accuse new person who doesn't stay quiet of spamming 2) Ask who the heck this new person is, affiliation, and then say you never heard of the person 3) Call new person a troll 4) After a few responses, back and forth, accuse the new person of "disruption" 5) Bring Disruptive matter to attention of group chair and ombudsman 6) First warning issued to new person for disruption 7) Second warning issued to new person for disruption 8) 15 day ban for disruption

Right now we are on step 4.

But think about it, Tim Cook claimed the internet would Universally Accept a cashless society, and an internet group called Universal Acceptance can't find a degree of relevance in his claim to its mission and charter, and he's the biggest Tech CEO on the planet. Pure irony to replace that interesting discussion with a claim of disrupting a non-existent topic, simply so that the people here with regular jobs don't have to "waste precious time" reading the posts of a so-assumed "nobody".

Multistakeholderism failure at its worst if you ask me. If ICANN can't incorporate current new people who talk, then how can ICANN be trusted to incorporate new people who talk after the transition? ICANN group members want these groups closed off to the public in my opinion, but they can't do that. Heck if I had a big time job at hoogle I wouldn't want to read this post either, I wouldn't want to comment on Tim Cook. I understand. But people shouldn't have signed up for a multistakeholder group if they can't deal with the potential of a new person they never heard of who talks, rather they should go work for a run of the mill corporation, which they already do.

Ron

 

From: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: ODG: Re: ODG: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 1:16:01 AM

 

Ron,

Thanks, that reminds me... I wasn't so clever and active as You at the beginning, I was quiet, doing reading and learning... and I was always using my real name, so people always knew who I am. Also, I didn't put the politics in my mails, like you did.

Thanks, again for unreal reply, and if I may say so - if you want to continue to troll, please go somewhere else.

Dusan

Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona

 

---- Ron Baione je napisao/la ----

I was a grassroots newbie accepted just 3 months ago into ISOC NY, and I am participating in IGF, ISOC, ARIN and ICANN mailing lists and trying to learn as quickly as possible so that 4 or 5 years from now I can begin traveling around the world to be a knowledgeable conference participant. Since I only have the first version of the IPad, my ability to participate in calls via my IPad is not compatible with adobe connect, unfortunately.

 

From: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs>; To: Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com>; Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: ODG: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 12:20:36 AM

 

Ron,

Somehow curious: I didn't catch your affiliation, community, country... Maybe it's my fault, apologize for that if so, but I didn't saw you on any call or meeting and I don't know you. If You be so kind to introduce yourself better. Thank you in advance.

Dusan

Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona

 

---- Ron Baione via UA-discuss je napisao/la ----

Fair enough, you and Ram don't believe that the involved process of uncirculating all physical money, as well as the memory of that physical money having ever existed in the first place, within the time-frame of one generation of people, is relevant to domain names in any way.

Moving on then, the previous topic was whether or not there should be a hackathon at ICANN55, and as that seems to have been resolved, what is the current topic? Is it reverting back to the topic before that, whether or not google translator shows the link when adding a link to it?

Ron

 

From: Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com>; To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 9:54:51 PM

 

Ron, we’re about domain names and email addresses, nothing else.  Anything not related to those topics, such as this thread, are random distractions.  Please stay on topic.

 

From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:10 PM To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

 

This is close to spamming the list.

 

From: Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:39 PM To: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

 

NASA has stated many times that a solar storm could temporarily knock out out the power grid, and without physical money at that hypothetical juncture, people will have to barter. Other possibilities exist now and in the future which make it realistic to expect the safe guard of physical money to stick around at least a few more generations incase of a failed grid event, unless Tim Cook knows thhe future and he knows there will never be a Solar Storm ever again, it just boggles the mind how someone so connected to thoughtful people, especially in the cyber-security industry, could completely discount and disregard Solar activity, where taking money out of circulation would cause a 100% reliance on technology for payments. It would take a while, too long, to reprint and recirculate physical money if that became necessary.

In regards to this topic being relevant to Universal Acceptance's charter, it is because Tim Cook is an influential person in the tech industry and added confusion about the future of the internet, stating there will be a mandatory degree of restricted learning and restricted knowledge conveyance to the next generation via a process only he seems to know about. The language and code additions UA is making in regards to language and other internet necessities should not be deterred, affected by or confused in that described dystopian future by such an unclarified, alternate vision of the future internet.

How can any ICANN working group perform its function to the best of ts abilities, building a better and inclusive internet, when arguably the top Tech CEO in the world alludes to being privy to a future reality ICANN isn't privy to? And if Apple asserts that the next generation will not know what money is, and ICANN and Apple are in the same exact industry, then ICANN has a responsibility in my opinion to at least ask someone at Apple how such an implausible reality will be made possible.

Non-germane topics would more likely include gardening, sports and/or fashion advice. One possibility I thought of as to why such a vague statement was put out there by Tim, is that since everything about the tech industry's daily grind must be exact and precise, once it is time to speak people subconciously go to the opposite mindset extreme, talking vaguely in an effort to even out their robotic and exhaustive efforts with what feels like an excercise in philosophy. As a solution to the recurrence of such subconsious rebalancing of the precision-based mindset with philosophical vague assertions, language graduates should be hired by the tech industry to advise industry leaders on how to limit overall global confusion via their spoken words, symbols and slogans, to speed up progress.

Ron

 

From: Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Cc: <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 1:50:46 PM

 

This is not germane to the universal acceptance topic or charter.

Ram

On Nov 11, 2015 9:51 PM, "Ron Baione via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss@icann.org> wrote:

This email is to request comment from Brent and any Apple representatives regarding Google Pay being recently invoked by Apple CEO Timothy Cook as one of two major "buying and selling" systems within an inevitable cashless society, the other being Apple's pay system:

Timothy stated, "The next generation will not know what money is.". All members of UA and ICANN should be brought up to speed on Timothy's assertion that learning restrictions will be being applied to ICANN and the internet, so that the rest of us can know exactly how such a feat of history deletion and restrictions on the learning and conveyance of historical knowledge would be logically accomplished in such a short period of time. For example:

1) Would older generations not be allowed to describe physical money to younger generations?

2) What date will those conveyance and learning restrictions begin?

3) Will UA and ICANN be forced to participate in the deletion of all photographs, records and mentions of physical money from the internet?

4) Will libraries be forced to discard books that mention or depict physical money?

5) Will ccwg-accountability have to add language to their proposal for the NTIA to resteict future ICANN members from using their connections to Apple and Google against other ICANN members they disagree with on a certain issues as a future intimidation tactic?

6) Is Timothy Cook asserting personal, intellectual control over the next generation of people by claiming to know, without any doubt, what they will and will not know or be able to learn about at an unspecified time of his choosing?

It is one thing to claim that the next generation will not use physical money, but to make such an assertion on what human beings will be aware of and learn about in terms of what they can and cannot learn, as Timothy made, seems to be a stretch of the imagination. Unless of course, Brent and any Apple representatives can fill the rest of us in, respectfully, on the vague process alluded to by Timothy Cook today. If the CEO of a major corporation can assert what humans can possibly learn about in the future, should not such an assertion be at least considered by ICANN's and UA's mission of a free and open internet for all?

Ron

 

From: Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br>; To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>; Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 12:18:09 AM

 

...

On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region.  2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks.

Rubens

 

 

UA-DISCUSS is a non-ICANN, community driven group, with financial support from ICANN and in-kind support by many other organizations. Anyone can raise topics. If there's interest and relevance, the thread sustains, else it subsides. There is no conspiracy here; everyone please move on and contribute to the UA initiative, which is in everyone's interest. - Ram Lars, I'm contributing when I can, reading and learning as well, but try to disagree with the system or criticize it and see how those who demand obedience to their heirarchy of employement status call you "a troll". ICANN's system doesn't know any other way to respond to criticism than using the playbook to get rid of the criticizer. Or they don't respond at all, in the case of the symbol used on UA documents depicting a face without a mouth and the words Universal Acceptance where the mouth would be. I intellectually challenge you to criticize ICANN as a test to see if I am correct. Ron ------------------------------ * From: * Lars Steffen <lars.steffen@eco.de>; * To: * 'Ron Baione' <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; Dusan Stojicevic < dusan@dukes.in.rs>; * Cc: * ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; * Subject: * AW: [UA-discuss] ODG: Re: ODG: Re: Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay * Sent: * Mon, Nov 16, 2015 12:04:25 PM I don´t want to add any fuel to this but as a quite new member in the ICANN community as well I can´t agree with the described “ICANN playbook”. I still feel welcomed. And I do it like Dusan already described: Reading, learning and contributing to the topic – when I can. Works out really fine. Kind regards, Lars *Von:* ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] *Im Auftrag von *Ron Baione via UA-discuss *Gesendet:* Freitag, 13. November 2015 04:12 *An:* Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs> *Cc:* ua-discuss@icann.org *Betreff:* Re: [UA-discuss] ODG: Re: ODG: Re: Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay Dus, I was more than half way through ICANN learn courses when Jeffrey Dunn updated the courses to be incompatible with my IPad (IOS 6.0 and greater compatibility). I asked him about what IOS ICANN learn would be compatible with and he claimed he didn't know what the courses were compatible with post-update, then, after deflecting the question until people got annoyed with the conversation, he said he did know. They key to the delay was that once people get annoyed, they tend to blame the new person rather than the knowledgable veteran, as they purposefully forget how the annoying conversation began. The ICANN playbook is the same in every group, it is a tried and true method to get rid of new people who don't "stay quiet" and are accused of being off the "topic", which is what is claimed as most important. The truth is most people here have other high paying jobs and they don't want to see emails from people they never heard of in their inbox as they try to do those difficult tasks. And even though there is no current "topic", (someone would have said what the current topic is by now) once someone claims the new person must "stick to the topic", the remaining steps play out as follows: 1) Accuse new person who doesn't stay quiet of spamming 2) Ask who the heck this new person is, affiliation, and then say you never heard of the person 3) Call new person a troll 4) After a few responses, back and forth, accuse the new person of "disruption" 5) Bring Disruptive matter to attention of group chair and ombudsman 6) First warning issued to new person for disruption 7) Second warning issued to new person for disruption 8) 15 day ban for disruption Right now we are on step 4. But think about it, Tim Cook claimed the internet would Universally Accept a cashless society, and an internet group called Universal Acceptance can't find a degree of relevance in his claim to its mission and charter, and he's the biggest Tech CEO on the planet. Pure irony to replace that interesting discussion with a claim of disrupting a non-existent topic, simply so that the people here with regular jobs don't have to "waste precious time" reading the posts of a so-assumed "nobody". Multistakeholderism failure at its worst if you ask me. If ICANN can't incorporate current new people who talk, then how can ICANN be trusted to incorporate new people who talk after the transition? ICANN group members want these groups closed off to the public in my opinion, but they can't do that. Heck if I had a big time job at hoogle I wouldn't want to read this post either, I wouldn't want to comment on Tim Cook. I understand. But people shouldn't have signed up for a multistakeholder group if they can't deal with the potential of a new person they never heard of who talks, rather they should go work for a run of the mill corporation, which they already do. Ron ------------------------------ *From: *Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs>; *To: *Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; *Cc: *<ua-discuss@icann.org>; *Subject: *ODG: Re: ODG: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay *Sent: *Fri, Nov 13, 2015 1:16:01 AM Ron, Thanks, that reminds me... I wasn't so clever and active as You at the beginning, I was quiet, doing reading and learning... and I was always using my real name, so people always knew who I am. Also, I didn't put the politics in my mails, like you did. Thanks, again for unreal reply, and if I may say so - if you want to continue to troll, please go somewhere else. Dusan Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona ---- Ron Baione je napisao/la ---- I was a grassroots newbie accepted just 3 months ago into ISOC NY, and I am participating in IGF, ISOC, ARIN and ICANN mailing lists and trying to learn as quickly as possible so that 4 or 5 years from now I can begin traveling around the world to be a knowledgeable conference participant. Since I only have the first version of the IPad, my ability to participate in calls via my IPad is not compatible with adobe connect, unfortunately. ------------------------------ *From: *Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs>; *To: *Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com>; Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; *Cc: *<ua-discuss@icann.org>; *Subject: *ODG: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay *Sent: *Fri, Nov 13, 2015 12:20:36 AM Ron, Somehow curious: I didn't catch your affiliation, community, country... Maybe it's my fault, apologize for that if so, but I didn't saw you on any call or meeting and I don't know you. If You be so kind to introduce yourself better. Thank you in advance. Dusan Poslato sa mog Sony Xperia™ pametnog telefona ---- Ron Baione via UA-discuss je napisao/la ---- Fair enough, you and Ram don't believe that the involved process of uncirculating all physical money, as well as the memory of that physical money having ever existed in the first place, within the time-frame of one generation of people, is relevant to domain names in any way. Moving on then, the previous topic was whether or not there should be a hackathon at ICANN55, and as that seems to have been resolved, what is the current topic? Is it reverting back to the topic before that, whether or not google translator shows the link when adding a link to it? Ron ------------------------------ *From: *Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com>; *To: *Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; *Cc: *ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; *Subject: *RE: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay *Sent: *Thu, Nov 12, 2015 9:54:51 PM Ron, we’re about domain names and email addresses, nothing else. Anything not related to those topics, such as this thread, are random distractions. Please stay on topic. *From:* ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Ram Mohan *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:10 PM *To:* Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> *Cc:* ua-discuss@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay This is close to spamming the list. *From:* Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:39 PM *To:* Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info> *Cc:* ua-discuss@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay NASA has stated many times that a solar storm could temporarily knock out out the power grid, and without physical money at that hypothetical juncture, people will have to barter. Other possibilities exist now and in the future which make it realistic to expect the safe guard of physical money to stick around at least a few more generations incase of a failed grid event, unless Tim Cook knows thhe future and he knows there will never be a Solar Storm ever again, it just boggles the mind how someone so connected to thoughtful people, especially in the cyber-security industry, could completely discount and disregard Solar activity, where taking money out of circulation would cause a 100% reliance on technology for payments. It would take a while, too long, to reprint and recirculate physical money if that became necessary. In regards to this topic being relevant to Universal Acceptance's charter, it is because Tim Cook is an influential person in the tech industry and added confusion about the future of the internet, stating there will be a mandatory degree of restricted learning and restricted knowledge conveyance to the next generation via a process only he seems to know about. The language and code additions UA is making in regards to language and other internet necessities should not be deterred, affected by or confused in that described dystopian future by such an unclarified, alternate vision of the future internet. How can any ICANN working group perform its function to the best of ts abilities, building a better and inclusive internet, when arguably the top Tech CEO in the world alludes to being privy to a future reality ICANN isn't privy to? And if Apple asserts that the next generation will not know what money is, and ICANN and Apple are in the same exact industry, then ICANN has a responsibility in my opinion to at least ask someone at Apple how such an implausible reality will be made possible. Non-germane topics would more likely include gardening, sports and/or fashion advice. One possibility I thought of as to why such a vague statement was put out there by Tim, is that since everything about the tech industry's daily grind must be exact and precise, once it is time to speak people subconciously go to the opposite mindset extreme, talking vaguely in an effort to even out their robotic and exhaustive efforts with what feels like an excercise in philosophy. As a solution to the recurrence of such subconsious rebalancing of the precision-based mindset with philosophical vague assertions, language graduates should be hired by the tech industry to advise industry leaders on how to limit overall global confusion via their spoken words, symbols and slogans, to speed up progress. Ron ------------------------------ *From: *Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info>; *To: *Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com>; *Cc: *<ua-discuss@icann.org>; *Subject: *Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay *Sent: *Thu, Nov 12, 2015 1:50:46 PM This is not germane to the universal acceptance topic or charter. Ram On Nov 11, 2015 9:51 PM, "Ron Baione via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss@icann.org> wrote: This email is to request comment from Brent and any Apple representatives regarding Google Pay being recently invoked by Apple CEO Timothy Cook as one of two major "buying and selling" systems within an inevitable cashless society, the other being Apple's pay system: Timothy stated, "The next generation will not know what money is.". All members of UA and ICANN should be brought up to speed on Timothy's assertion that learning restrictions will be being applied to ICANN and the internet, so that the rest of us can know exactly how such a feat of history deletion and restrictions on the learning and conveyance of historical knowledge would be logically accomplished in such a short period of time. For example: 1) Would older generations not be allowed to describe physical money to younger generations? 2) What date will those conveyance and learning restrictions begin? 3) Will UA and ICANN be forced to participate in the deletion of all photographs, records and mentions of physical money from the internet? 4) Will libraries be forced to discard books that mention or depict physical money? 5) Will ccwg-accountability have to add language to their proposal for the NTIA to resteict future ICANN members from using their connections to Apple and Google against other ICANN members they disagree with on a certain issues as a future intimidation tactic? 6) Is Timothy Cook asserting personal, intellectual control over the next generation of people by claiming to know, without any doubt, what they will and will not know or be able to learn about at an unspecified time of his choosing? It is one thing to claim that the next generation will not use physical money, but to make such an assertion on what human beings will be aware of and learn about in terms of what they can and cannot learn, as Timothy made, seems to be a stretch of the imagination. Unless of course, Brent and any Apple representatives can fill the rest of us in, respectfully, on the vague process alluded to by Timothy Cook today. If the CEO of a major corporation can assert what humans can possibly learn about in the future, should not such an assertion be at least considered by ICANN's and UA's mission of a free and open internet for all? Ron ------------------------------ *From: *Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br>; *To: *Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>; *Cc: *ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org>; *Subject: *Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 *Sent: *Thu, Nov 12, 2015 12:18:09 AM

On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks. Rubens

Rubens and Don +1 The ccNSO / ccTLD community have a tech day. Try not to overlap and engage with the organizers and coordinate as far as possible. Don't expect too much though. Regional IDN ccTLDs are a great place to start. Avoid the corporate communications machine from getting hold of this and turning it into something it is not. Under promise (or don't promise at all) and over deliver. While no one should be excluded, ensure invitations and communications make it clear that this is a technical engagement and policy discussions happen elsewhere. Consider travel funding specifically for this. To me the criteria would be technical skill and regional location! Just my 2c (and at current exchange rates that is about $0,0018) so take it for what it is worth. Mike

On 12 Nov 2015, at 02:18, Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br> wrote:

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks.

Rubens

Hey all: I have two thoughts on this: 1) I like to periodically go back to thinking about the UASG as a coordinating body. Given that general statement of principle/purpose, it seems like the goal here should be to see if we can find someone who knows how to do hackathons and have them host it with some level of support and awareness-raising from the UASG. Maybe that could be a local university or tech company. If we find ourselves in the position that we're putting on a hackathon as opposed to helping to support one, I'd suggest that we're losing sight of the coordination role and it's going to be hard to scale up UA efforts if we expect the UASG to have to be doing most of the heavy lifting. 2) Before we really answer the question of whether a hackathon in Marrakech makes sense (as a way for us to invest our time and money), versus a hackathon somewhere else, I think a good question to think about is what sorts of projects we expect the hackers to be hacking away at. While it's true that there's some engineers at ICANN meetings, they tend to be focused on systems/network infrastructure. So if our goal, for example, to create some cool javascript that allowed for proper right-to-left domain handling and conversion to punycode, I'd guess we wouldn't have a lot of the right people at the meeting to be strong contributors to this effort. On the other hand, folks may be able to articulate some class of problem that we do want to hack away at and where we think we'll have the right folks on site. If so, that's great, but we should clearly articulate what we're after and, to Mike's point, consider bringing in some people who are going to be really strong coders and idea generators to make sure we have a nucleus of hackers to build around. Pulling together, what I'd hate to see is a hackathon-for-the-sake-of-a-hackathon that ends up not being successful and discourages future UA technical efforts along these same lines. I really want to see these sorts of hackathons take place, but I want to make sure we're getting the most bang for buck out of the effort this group will invest into making it happen. Jordyn On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Mike Silber <mike.silber@icann.org> wrote:

Rubens and Don +1

The ccNSO / ccTLD community have a tech day. Try not to overlap and engage with the organizers and coordinate as far as possible. Don't expect too much though.

Regional IDN ccTLDs are a great place to start.

Avoid the corporate communications machine from getting hold of this and turning it into something it is not. Under promise (or don't promise at all) and over deliver.

While no one should be excluded, ensure invitations and communications make it clear that this is a technical engagement and policy discussions happen elsewhere.

Consider travel funding specifically for this. To me the criteria would be technical skill and regional location!

Just my 2c (and at current exchange rates that is about $0,0018) so take it for what it is worth.

Mike

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On 12 Nov 2015, at 02:18, Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br> wrote:

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks.

Rubens

I agree with Jordyn. On the topic of hackathons, it's not so clear to me: 1. that ICANN has the type of audience that would want to participate in a hackathon, and 2. what problem we're trying to solve with a hackathon. We can't just set up tables, ask developers to show up, say "go", and expect something productive to come from it. We need objectives that (a) fit a hackathon's time constraints, and (b) fit the culture of hackathons: people need to be solving problems that they feel like working on. A failed hackathon is bad for our cause: wasted UASG resources, wasted non-UASG resources, diminished credibility. I think we should pause and make sure we've got a good answer to Miguel's question: what would be the expected outcome of this hackathon? Brent On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Miguel Ignacio Estrada <miestrada@gmail.com

wrote:

Sorry for bringing it back to basics, maybe I lost track but what would be the expected outcome of this Hackaton?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Jordyn Buchanan via UA-discuss < ua-discuss@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hey all:

I have two thoughts on this:

1) I like to periodically go back to thinking about the UASG as a coordinating body. Given that general statement of principle/purpose, it seems like the goal here should be to see if we can find someone who knows how to do hackathons and have them host it with some level of support and awareness-raising from the UASG. Maybe that could be a local university or tech company. If we find ourselves in the position that we're putting on a hackathon as opposed to helping to support one, I'd suggest that we're losing sight of the coordination role and it's going to be hard to scale up UA efforts if we expect the UASG to have to be doing most of the heavy lifting.

2) Before we really answer the question of whether a hackathon in Marrakech makes sense (as a way for us to invest our time and money), versus a hackathon somewhere else, I think a good question to think about is what sorts of projects we expect the hackers to be hacking away at. While it's true that there's some engineers at ICANN meetings, they tend to be focused on systems/network infrastructure. So if our goal, for example, to create some cool javascript that allowed for proper right-to-left domain handling and conversion to punycode, I'd guess we wouldn't have a lot of the right people at the meeting to be strong contributors to this effort. On the other hand, folks may be able to articulate some class of problem that we do want to hack away at and where we think we'll have the right folks on site. If so, that's great, but we should clearly articulate what we're after and, to Mike's point, consider bringing in some people who are going to be really strong coders and idea generators to make sure we have a nucleus of hackers to build around.

Pulling together, what I'd hate to see is a hackathon-for-the-sake-of-a-hackathon that ends up not being successful and discourages future UA technical efforts along these same lines. I really want to see these sorts of hackathons take place, but I want to make sure we're getting the most bang for buck out of the effort this group will invest into making it happen.

Jordyn

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Mike Silber <mike.silber@icann.org> wrote:

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Rubens and Don +1

The ccNSO / ccTLD community have a tech day. Try not to overlap and engage with the organizers and coordinate as far as possible. Don't expect too much though.

Regional IDN ccTLDs are a great place to start.

Avoid the corporate communications machine from getting hold of this and turning it into something it is not. Under promise (or don't promise at all) and over deliver.

While no one should be excluded, ensure invitations and communications make it clear that this is a technical engagement and policy discussions happen elsewhere.

Consider travel funding specifically for this. To me the criteria would be technical skill and regional location!

Just my 2c (and at current exchange rates that is about $0,0018) so take it for what it is worth.

Mike

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On 12 Nov 2015, at 02:18, Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br> wrote:

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks.

Rubens

-- Nacho Estrada | @acmuzic <http://twitter.com/acmuzic>

This seems like an accessibility <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_accessibility> hackathon proposal. Which is a great idea, just doesn't have anything to do with universal acceptance. Ron--are you sure you're on the right mailing list? Jordyn On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Ron Baione via UA-discuss < ua-discuss@icann.org> wrote:

Hackathon proposal:

Generate code for all domains which allows for the written contents of any website to be read aloud by the computer, phone or tablet for the benefit of the visually impaired, with the press of an additional key to be added to the keyboard or by hitting a combination of keys easily found on the keypad.

Generate code which allows for those spoken words to be paused, rewound, fast forwarded, skip to chapter, etc.

Incorporate into existing code which allows for verbal command to bring a website up on the screen.

Ron

------------------------------ * From: * Brent London via UA-discuss <ua-discuss@icann.org>; * To: * Miguel Ignacio Estrada <miestrada@gmail.com>; * Cc: * Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br>; ua-discuss@icann.org < ua-discuss@icann.org>; * Subject: * Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55 * Sent: * Fri, Nov 13, 2015 5:51:02 PM

I agree with Jordyn.

On the topic of hackathons, it's not so clear to me:

1. that ICANN has the type of audience that would want to participate in a hackathon, and

2. what problem we're trying to solve with a hackathon. We can't just set up tables, ask developers to show up, say "go", and expect something productive to come from it. We need objectives that (a) fit a hackathon's time constraints, and (b) fit the culture of hackathons: people need to be solving problems that they feel like working on.

A failed hackathon is bad for our cause: wasted UASG resources, wasted non-UASG resources, diminished credibility. I think we should pause and make sure we've got a good answer to Miguel's question: what would be the expected outcome of this hackathon?

Brent

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Miguel Ignacio Estrada < miestrada@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Sorry for bringing it back to basics, maybe I lost track but what would be the expected outcome of this Hackaton?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Jordyn Buchanan via UA-discuss < ua-discuss@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hey all:

I have two thoughts on this:

1) I like to periodically go back to thinking about the UASG as a coordinating body. Given that general ! statement of principle/purpose, it seems like the goal here should be to see if we can find someone who knows how to do hackathons and have them host it with some level of support and awareness-raising from the UASG. Maybe that could be a local university or tech company. If we find ourselves in the position that we're putting on a hackathon as opposed to helping to support one, I'd suggest that we're losing sight of the coordination role and it's going to be hard to scale up UA efforts if we expect the UASG to have to be doing most of the heavy lifting.

2) Before we really answer the question of whether a hackathon in Marrakech makes sense (as a way for us to invest our time and money), versus a hackathon somewhere else, I think a good question to think about is what sorts of projects we expect the hackers to be hacking away at. While it's true that there's some engineers at ICANN meetings, they tend to be focu! sed on systems/network infrastructure. So if our goal, for example, to create some cool javascript that allowed for proper right-to-left domain handling and conversion to punycode, I'd guess we wouldn't have a lot of the right people at the meeting to be strong contributors to this effort. On the other hand, folks may be able to articulate some class of problem that we do want to hack away at and where we think we'll have the right folks on site. If so, that's great, but we should clearly articulate what we're after and, to Mike's point, consider bringing in some people who are going to be really strong coders and idea generators to make sure we have a nucleus of hackers to build around.

Pulling together, what I'd hate to see is a hackathon-for-the-sake-of-a-ha ckathon that ends up not being successful and discourages future UA technical efforts along these same lines. I really want to see these sorts of hackath! ons take place, but I want to make sure we're getting the most bang for buck out of the effort this group will invest into making it happen.

Jordyn

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Mike Silber <mike.silber@icann.org> wrote:

...

Rubens and Don +1

The ccNSO / ccTLD community have a tech day. Try not to overlap and engage with the organizers and coordinate as far as possible. Don't expect too much though.

Regional IDN ccTLDs are a great place to start.

Avoid the corporate communications machine from getting hold of this and turning it into something it is not. Under promise (or don't promise at all) and over deliver.

While no one should be excluded, ensure invitations and communications make it clear that this is a technical engagement and policy discussions happen elsewhere.

Consider travel funding specifically for this. To me the criteria would be technical skill and regional location!

Just my 2c (and at current exchange rates that is about $0,0018) so take it for what it is worth.

Mike

...

On 12 Nov 2015, at 02:18, Rubens Kuhl <rubens@registro.br> wrote:

...

On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:

1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region. 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks.

Rubens

-- Nacho Estrada | @acmuzic <http://twitter.com/acmuzic>