EAI Evaluation Widget
G’day I’d like to put a ‘widget’ on the UASG website that will allow people to determine if a domain name is able to support EAI mail. I think it would go something like this: Enter domain name in a box Find the mail server associated with that domain name Check if it supports SMTPUTF8 If so, say Yes, if not say No and point the person to some Basic EAI documentation. Is there more to it than that? Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech don.hollander@icann.org Skype: don_hollander
Enter domain name in a box Find the mail server associated with that domain name Check if it supports SMTPUTF8 If so, say Yes, if not say No and point the person to some Basic EAI documentation.
Is there more to it than that?
It's e-mail, there's always more to it. So long as the test is from a network range that's expected to be sending mail, e.g., a hosting company, not a random cable modem, it's about as good as you can do. The uasg.tech site at Blacknight should be fine. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
As John says, there may be more to it. But it's a good start, as is Ajay's page. -----Original Message----- From: UA-EAI [mailto:ua-eai-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of John R. Levine Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 11:52 AM To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> Cc: ua-eai@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] EAI Evaluation Widget
Enter domain name in a box Find the mail server associated with that domain name Check if it supports SMTPUTF8 If so, say Yes, if not say No and point the person to some Basic EAI documentation.
Is there more to it than that?
It's e-mail, there's always more to it. So long as the test is from a network range that's expected to be sending mail, e.g., a hosting company, not a random cable modem, it's about as good as you can do. The uasg.tech site at Blacknight should be fine. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjl.ly&data=... _______________________________________________ UA-EAI mailing list UA-EAI@icann.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.or...
Pl see https://eai.xgenplus.com You can see this test in action here.. let me know if u want more info or help in this.. Thanks. On 27 December 2017 01:12:18 GMT+05:30, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:
G’day
I’d like to put a ‘widget’ on the UASG website that will allow people to determine if a domain name is able to support EAI mail.
I think it would go something like this:
Enter domain name in a box Find the mail server associated with that domain name Check if it supports SMTPUTF8 If so, say Yes, if not say No and point the person to some Basic EAI documentation.
Is there more to it than that?
Don
Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech don.hollander@icann.org Skype: don_hollander
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Ajay, on your test page, is lack of “punycode@punycode” a Failure, or just a Warning? From: UA-EAI [mailto:ua-eai-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ajay Data Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 5:21 PM To: don.hollander@icann.org; ua-eai@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] EAI Evaluation Widget Pl see https://eai.xgenplus.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feai.xgenplus.com&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7Ca5da44fa0d1c48693bb908d54cc8414d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636499345334201022&sdata=lJAPYW9ya%2F%2FAr4tpVgDatE7N11ucl2wXThBqkky8mdg%3D&reserved=0> You can see this test in action here.. let me know if u want more info or help in this.. Thanks. On 27 December 2017 01:12:18 GMT+05:30, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> wrote: G’day I’d like to put a ‘widget’ on the UASG website that will allow people to determine if a domain name is able to support EAI mail. I think it would go something like this: Enter domain name in a box Find the mail server associated with that domain name Check if it supports SMTPUTF8 If so, say Yes, if not say No and point the person to some Basic EAI documentation. Is there more to it than that? Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uasg.tec...> don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org> Skype: don_hollander ________________________________ UA-EAI mailing list UA-EAI@icann.org<mailto:UA-EAI@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-eai<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fua-eai&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7Ca5da44fa0d1c48693bb908d54cc8414d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636499345334201022&sdata=XARO5kkKtirCRMOacaTbHu8W0ZklPFglzmX%2FHHiZWdI%3D&reserved=0> -- Sent from my Android device with XGenPlus.
Should be warninf.. punycode@punycode obviously not required/ allowed.. this tool is designed for person having email ID in hand and can test his ID with sending and received email.. On 27 December 2017 07:38:08 GMT+05:30, Mark Svancarek <marksv@microsoft.com> wrote:
Ajay, on your test page, is lack of “punycode@punycode” a Failure, or just a Warning?
From: UA-EAI [mailto:ua-eai-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ajay Data Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 5:21 PM To: don.hollander@icann.org; ua-eai@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] EAI Evaluation Widget
You can see this test in action here.. let me know if u want more info or help in this..
Thanks.
On 27 December 2017 01:12:18 GMT+05:30, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> wrote: G’day
I’d like to put a ‘widget’ on the UASG website that will allow people to determine if a domain name is able to support EAI mail.
I think it would go something like this:
Enter domain name in a box Find the mail server associated with that domain name Check if it supports SMTPUTF8 If so, say Yes, if not say No and point the person to some Basic EAI documentation.
Is there more to it than that?
Don
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Should be warninf.. punycode@punycode obviously not required/ allowed..
punycode@punycode is certainly allowed, but the "punycode" in the local part is an ASCII local part that starts xn--..., not coded UTF-8. By the way, if people use this very much I expect you'll find that sites start to block you, because the address tests it's doing look just like the tests that spammers do to try to wash spamtraps out of their purchased lists. Moral: spammers ruin things for everyone. R's from the train, John
punycode@punycode is certainly allowed, but the "punycode" in the local part is an ASCII local part that starts xn--..., not coded UTF-8.
That’s not clear to me. I see neither any SHOULD nor any MUST that SMTP servers must treat punycode in domains as they would unicode. Maybe I’ve missed something? I’m not 100% sure, but I think that Wietse Venema would have rejected the Postfix patch if punycode were required. The natural (only?) way to handle punycode in MAIL FROM/RCPT TO commands would have been to call ICU’s conversion functions from within the SMTP server, and Wietse was concerned about the attack surface. ICU has had a few CVEs, and those commands take arguments from untrusted sources across the network. Arnt
punycode@punycode is certainly allowed, but the "punycode" in the local part is an ASCII local part that starts xn--..., not coded UTF-8.
That’s not clear to me. I see neither any SHOULD nor any MUST that SMTP servers must treat punycode in domains as they would unicode. Maybe I’ve missed something?
Punycode is just ASCII text, and ASCII text is certainly valid in the local part of an address. A mailbox like xn--ls8h is just as valid as any other. The fact that it happens to look like an A-label is a concidence. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly PS: A few weeks ago someone reported with great fanfare that some MUAs have bugs that try to decode local parts that look like punycode, which allows some obvious phishing attacks. But those are just bugs.
Punycode is just ASCII text, and ASCII text is certainly valid in the local part of an address. A mailbox like xn--ls8h is just as valid as any other. The fact that it happens to look like an A-label is a concidence.
This matches my understanding. Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though. Arnt
Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though. Yes, this is an eternal debate 😊 In UASG-007 this is explicitly called out. Best practice is not to send it, but always to accept it and process it as if it were UTF8 for purposes of displaying, searching, sorting and threading. -----Original Message----- From: UA-EAI [mailto:ua-eai-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Arnt Gulbrandsen Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:49 AM To: John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> Cc: ua-eai@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] EAI Evaluation Widget
Punycode is just ASCII text, and ASCII text is certainly valid in the local part of an address. A mailbox like xn--ls8h is just as valid as any other. The fact that it happens to look like an A-label is a concidence.
This matches my understanding. Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though. Arnt _______________________________________________ UA-EAI mailing list UA-EAI@icann.org<mailto:UA-EAI@icann.org> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.or...
Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though.
A-labels in domains should work since there's a 1:1 mapping between A-labels and U-labels and there's no question about what they mean. In the local part, that doesn't work because local parts are neither A-labels nor U-labels. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
We need to say which pop3 or imap who is EAI ready to be used. I am already have EAI ready smtp server but do not have pop3 or imap server which EAI ready , may you have an idea about that so kindly share. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2017, at 9:27 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though.
A-labels in domains should work since there's a 1:1 mapping between A-labels and U-labels and there's no question about what they mean. In the local part, that doesn't work because local parts are neither A-labels nor U-labels.
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You can register your IDN and get one IE (Internalized Email) with IMAP, pop etc on website godil.in I don't know any open source EAI ready Pop/IMAP as of now.. anyone knows please share.. Thanks. On 30 December 2017 01:37:23 GMT+05:30, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila@mcit.gov.eg> wrote:
We need to say which pop3 or imap who is EAI ready to be used. I am already have EAI ready smtp server but do not have pop3 or imap server which EAI ready , may you have an idea about that so kindly share.
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Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though.
A-labels in domains should work since there's a 1:1 mapping between A-labels and U-labels and there's no question about what they mean. In the local part, that doesn't work because local parts are neither A-labels nor U-labels.
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Abdalmonem: For much of the past year we have been actively seeking someone to perform an evaluation of email software and services to determine how EAI ready they are. We have still not received sufficient proposals to make an informed choice. In the meantime, I have not heard of any open source SMTP or POP3 servers. Don
On 30/12/2017, at 9:07 AM, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila@mcit.gov.eg> wrote:
We need to say which pop3 or imap who is EAI ready to be used. I am already have EAI ready smtp server but do not have pop3 or imap server which EAI ready , may you have an idea about that so kindly share.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2017, at 9:27 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though.
A-labels in domains should work since there's a 1:1 mapping between A-labels and U-labels and there's no question about what they mean. In the local part, that doesn't work because local parts are neither A-labels nor U-labels.
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In the meantime, I have not heard of any open source SMTP or POP3 servers.
There's a lot of open source SMTP and POP/IMAP servers, pretty good list in this Wikipedia article. Other than Postfix I don't know how many have EAI support. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mail_servers Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
There's a lot of open source SMTP and POP/IMAP servers, pretty good list in this Wikipedia article. Other than Postfix I don't know how many have EAI support.
Exim. Qmail in binary form in some distrbutions, or if build from source, either from my github account or in one of the patchsets that include it. Sendmail if you build from the source on my github account. Four commercial ones that I know of (I have the list at home). POP/IMAP is worse. I have one, fully compliant, but don’t want people do use it (I want to retire that code). None of the majors have EAI support. Arnt
Don , Arnt suggests me IMAP software who is compatible with EAI and I will try to use it soon besides my postfix enable EAI server. Let me ask a question , how could anyone evaluate the function of specific SW without having a similar model !!! That is why I am looking for a complete model of fully EAI compatible mail system. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> wrote: Abdalmonem: For much of the past year we have been actively seeking someone to perform an evaluation of email software and services to determine how EAI ready they are. We have still not received sufficient proposals to make an informed choice. In the meantime, I have not heard of any open source SMTP or POP3 servers. Don On 30/12/2017, at 9:07 AM, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila@mcit.gov.eg<mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg>> wrote: We need to say which pop3 or imap who is EAI ready to be used. I am already have EAI ready smtp server but do not have pop3 or imap server which EAI ready , may you have an idea about that so kindly share. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2017, at 9:27 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com<mailto:johnl@iecc.com>> wrote: Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though. A-labels in domains should work since there's a 1:1 mapping between A-labels and U-labels and there's no question about what they mean. In the local part, that doesn't work because local parts are neither A-labels nor U-labels. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com<mailto:johnl@iecc.com>, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jl.ly&d=DwICAg&c=FmY1u3... _______________________________________________ UA-EAI mailing list UA-EAI@icann.org<mailto:UA-EAI@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-eai _______________________________________________ UA-EAI mailing list UA-EAI@icann.org<mailto:UA-EAI@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-eai Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech<http://www.uasg.tech> don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org> Skype: don_hollander
XgenPlus gives Webmail, Pop, IMAP, SMTP, Antispam and anyone can get an IDN and get one EAI for testing at No cost. Many of our friends are testing that way . Thanks. On 31 December 2017 04:04:37 GMT+05:30, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila@mcit.gov.eg> wrote:
Don , Arnt suggests me IMAP software who is compatible with EAI and I will try to use it soon besides my postfix enable EAI server.
Let me ask a question , how could anyone evaluate the function of specific SW without having a similar model !!! That is why I am looking for a complete model of fully EAI compatible mail system.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> wrote:
Abdalmonem:
For much of the past year we have been actively seeking someone to perform an evaluation of email software and services to determine how EAI ready they are. We have still not received sufficient proposals to make an informed choice.
In the meantime, I have not heard of any open source SMTP or POP3 servers.
Don
On 30/12/2017, at 9:07 AM, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila@mcit.gov.eg<mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg>> wrote:
We need to say which pop3 or imap who is EAI ready to be used. I am already have EAI ready smtp server but do not have pop3 or imap server which EAI ready , may you have an idea about that so kindly share.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2017, at 9:27 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com<mailto:johnl@iecc.com>> wrote:
Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though.
A-labels in domains should work since there's a 1:1 mapping between A-labels and U-labels and there's no question about what they mean. In the local part, that doesn't work because local parts are neither A-labels nor U-labels.
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I’m unable to get any results for lensovetp@mail.ru. Just returns a page with nothing in the email field and no further options. lensovetp@gmail.com works fine. Paul
30 дек. 2017 г., в 19:41, Dr. Ajay DATA <ajay@data.in> написал(а):
XgenPlus gives Webmail, Pop, IMAP, SMTP, Antispam and anyone can get an IDN and get one EAI for testing at No cost.
Many of our friends are testing that way .
Thanks.
On 31 December 2017 04:04:37 GMT+05:30, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila@mcit.gov.eg> wrote: Don , Arnt suggests me IMAP software who is compatible with EAI and I will try to use it soon besides my postfix enable EAI server.
Let me ask a question , how could anyone evaluate the function of specific SW without having a similar model !!! That is why I am looking for a complete model of fully EAI compatible mail system.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:
Abdalmonem:
For much of the past year we have been actively seeking someone to perform an evaluation of email software and services to determine how EAI ready they are. We have still not received sufficient proposals to make an informed choice.
In the meantime, I have not heard of any open source SMTP or POP3 servers.
Don
On 30/12/2017, at 9:07 AM, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila@mcit.gov.eg> wrote:
We need to say which pop3 or imap who is EAI ready to be used. I am already have EAI ready smtp server but do not have pop3 or imap server which EAI ready , may you have an idea about that so kindly share.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2017, at 9:27 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
Some people on this list appear to think that SMTP servers ought to consider punycode in the domain part as equivalent to utf8, though.
A-labels in domains should work since there's a 1:1 mapping between A-labels and U-labels and there's no question about what they mean. In the local part, that doesn't work because local parts are neither A-labels nor U-labels.
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Don, Arnt suggests me IMAP software who is compatible with EAI and I will try to use it soon besides my postfix enable EAI server.
Let me ask a question , how could anyone evaluate the function of specific SW without having a similar model !!! That is why I am looking for a complete model of fully EAI compatible mail system.
I do, yes. Five people/teams have implemented it, I’ve done interop testing with three of the four others and am confident that my code and one other works correctly. The conventional way to test compliance of the first few is to make lists of all of the MUSTs and SHOULDs in the text and check each one. There are about 70 in this case, or a bit more, depending on what’s implemented. Then one does interop testing and scrutinises the protocol exchanges against the lists of MUST/SHOULDs. Arnt
Thanks Arnt, I did setup it today and have some issues with postgresql and trying now to fix it and continue the configuration of postfix to deal with this IMAP software instead of dovecot . It is really good start if it works well as our expectations. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Arnt Gulbrandsen <arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no> wrote:
Don, Arnt suggests me IMAP software who is compatible with EAI and I will try to use it soon besides my postfix enable EAI server.
Let me ask a question , how could anyone evaluate the function of specific SW without having a similar model !!! That is why I am looking for a complete model of fully EAI compatible mail system.
I do, yes.
Five people/teams have implemented it, I’ve done interop testing with three of the four others and am confident that my code and one other works correctly.
The conventional way to test compliance of the first few is to make lists of all of the MUSTs and SHOULDs in the text and check each one. There are about 70 in this case, or a bit more, depending on what’s implemented. Then one does interop testing and scrutinises the protocol exchanges against the lists of MUST/SHOULDs.
Arnt
Hello Ajay, Mark, I tested Ajay's tool. My mail address (duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp) is being hosted by Microsoft, so I got to
SMTP Test Check your Email Server is compatible with EAI Support. it-aoyama-ac-jp.mail.protection.outlook.com
The result I got is listed below. What I don't understand is that the server sends "250 SMTPUTF8", which should mean that it supports EAI addresses, and also says "Sender OK", but then the connection is broken and the result is "EAI NOT SUPPORTED".
>> it-aoyama-ac-jp.mail.protection.outlook.com
EAI NOT SUPPORTED S:- 220 TY1JPN01FT004.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Fri, 29 Dec 2017 07:45:04 +0000 C:- ehlo a.tbms.in S:- 250-TY1JPN01FT004.mail.protection.outlook.com Hello [202.157.83.51] S:- 250-SIZE 157286400 S:- 250-PIPELINING S:- 250-DSN S:- 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES S:- 250-STARTTLS S:- 250-8BITMIME S:- 250-BINARYMIME S:- 250-CHUNKING S:- 250 SMTPUTF8 C:- mail from:<xn--11b7am1g.xn--41b5a5av9azf@xn--c2bd1gb.xn--h2brj9c> S:- 250 2.1.0 Sender OK C:- rcpt to: <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> error:- connection is break by remote host Details:-null
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As I'm the administrator of this mail domain, I also tried to create an address dürst@it.aoyama.ac.jp, but I got told "You can only add letters, numbers, and the following special characters: underscore, dash, single quotes and period (_, -, ', .).", where "letters" probably is supposed to mean "ASCII letters". Of course, whether the server supports recepient EAI addresses and whether it accepts mail from foreign EAI addresses are two different things. Sorry to bother you with my personal examples, but I hope it could shed some light on what's going on, and how things can improve. Regards, Martin. On 2017/12/27 11:08, Mark Svancarek via UA-EAI wrote:
Ajay, on your test page, is lack of “punycode@punycode” a Failure, or just a Warning?
From: UA-EAI [mailto:ua-eai-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Ajay Data Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 5:21 PM To: don.hollander@icann.org; ua-eai@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] EAI Evaluation Widget
You can see this test in action here.. let me know if u want more info or help in this..
Thanks.
On 27 December 2017 01:12:18 GMT+05:30, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> wrote: G’day
I’d like to put a ‘widget’ on the UASG website that will allow people to determine if a domain name is able to support EAI mail.
I think it would go something like this:
Enter domain name in a box Find the mail server associated with that domain name Check if it supports SMTPUTF8 If so, say Yes, if not say No and point the person to some Basic EAI documentation.
Is there more to it than that?
Don
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Ayjay’s test isn’t accurate. SMTP servers mostly reject things because the spam filter says that source does not look like a real mail sender. Ayjay’s test assumes that any rejection is due to a lack of SMTPUTF8 support, whereas real servers block 90-99% of mail due to being spam. The test also doesn’t behave like a real mail sender so it’s likely to trigger spam filters, too. Look in particular at this command:
C:- mail from:<xn--11b7am1g.xn--41b5a5av9azf@xn--c2bd1gb.xn—h2brj9c>
This command does not test SMTPUTF8 (the word “SMTPUTF8” should have been at the end) and it conditions the server’s spam filter to learn that xn--11b7am1g.xn--41b5a5av9azf@xn--c2bd1gb.xn—h2brj9c is not a real mail sender (quite accurately). If the spam filter classifies mail senders by address, then it’ll learn that there’s nothing to be gained by letting mail from that address through, and it will block the test. FWIW, my mail setup supports EAI all the way to my phone, and Ayjay’s test is wrong about it too. It says it supports punycode, when in fact none of the three EAI-aware programs do. Arnt
It is a good try. I also suggests that we put some EAI address on it. Some users may want to test the EAI service, and send an email to the the EAI address listed on uasg.tech which can be configured to sent back automatically. Jiankang Yao From: Don Hollander Date: 2017-12-27 03:42 To: ua-eai@icann.org Subject: [UA-EAI] EAI Evaluation Widget G’day I’d like to put a ‘widget’ on the UASG website that will allow people to determine if a domain name is able to support EAI mail. I think it would go something like this: Enter domain name in a box Find the mail server associated with that domain name Check if it supports SMTPUTF8 If so, say Yes, if not say No and point the person to some Basic EAI documentation. Is there more to it than that? Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech don.hollander@icann.org Skype: don_hollander
participants (10)
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Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila -
Ajay Data -
Arnt Gulbrandsen -
Don Hollander -
Dr. Ajay DATA
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Jiankang Yao -
John R. Levine -
Mark Svancarek -
Martin J. Dürst -
Paul Borokhov