Can we please have comments on this document by the end of this week? The current state of this document can be found https://docs.google.com/document/d/14uH58SF6U9B2I6eRGN_ldsvESSuCbKKlSWc1OiLx... Thanks. Don Don Hollander Secretary General - UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
Don and all, Please see the comments made in the document, and I'm writing them in this email for group discussion: - There are several places where 'folder' and 'mailbox' seems used interchangeably in the doc and could lead to confusion. Need to pay more attention on subsequent edits. - The doc stated that using A-label in mailto: will shorten the whole string, which sounds like an encouragement. I'm concern on that. - I would love to see more write up regarding spam filtering, particular on determining whether certain character is valid or not (even calling it out of scope for this doc), and to raise awareness that detection algorithm may detect downgraded message as suspicious/malformed/etc. Best, Joseph On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:
Can we please have comments on this document by the end of this week?
The current state of this document can be found https://docs.google.com/ document/d/14uH58SF6U9B2I6eRGN_ldsvESSuCbKKlSWc1OiLxOdg/edit?ts=5a9e1e4c
Thanks.
Don
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In article <CAF1dMVE_-YME=0QKormaY8QUkr5ebm+zOJbDKOM6DxGFkyvMFQ@mail.gmail.com> you write:
- There are several places where 'folder' and 'mailbox' seems used interchangeably in the doc and could lead to confusion. Need to pay more attention on subsequent edits.
A mailbox can have multiple folders. I'll see if I can make that clearer.
- The doc stated that using A-label in mailto: will shorten the whole string, which sounds like an encouragement. I'm concern on that.
I don't feel strongly about it. I would expect addresses to work whether the domain is encoded as U-label or A-label.
- I would love to see more write up regarding spam filtering, particular on determining whether certain character is valid or not (even calling it out of scope for this doc), and to raise awareness that detection algorithm may detect downgraded message as suspicious/malformed/etc.
It shouldn't. Remember that UTF-8 is already valid throughout message bodies, and propertly downgraded headers are all ASCII. R's, John
On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 10:28 AM, John Levine <john.levine@standcore.com> wrote:
In article <CAF1dMVE_-YME=0QKormaY8QUkr5ebm+zOJbDKOM6DxGFkyvMFQ@mail. gmail.com> you write:
- There are several places where 'folder' and 'mailbox' seems used interchangeably in the doc and could lead to confusion. Need to pay more attention on subsequent edits.
A mailbox can have multiple folders. I'll see if I can make that clearer.
- The doc stated that using A-label in mailto: will shorten the whole string, which sounds like an encouragement. I'm concern on that.
I don't feel strongly about it. I would expect addresses to work whether the domain is encoded as U-label or A-label
- I would love to see more write up regarding spam filtering, particular on determining whether certain character is valid or not (even calling it out of scope for this doc), and to raise awareness that detection algorithm may detect downgraded message as suspicious/malformed/etc.
It shouldn't. Remember that UTF-8 is already valid throughout message bodies, and propertly downgraded headers are all ASCII.
Addressing Dr. Ajya's mail here too: I think I'm not on this in previous mail. The concern is not UTF-8 or ASCII, it's the occurrence such as empty group may had the message marked spam or killed. The message is in ASCII with correct syntax, but some detectors may consider it bad regardless. This doc is great to raise awareness to these potential issues to the vendor/admins beyond the mailbox/domain whitelist & blacklist IMHO. Best, Joseph
R's, John
The concern is not UTF-8 or ASCII, it's the occurrence such as empty group may had the message marked spam or killed. The message is in ASCII with correct syntax, but some detectors may consider it bad regardless.
Are you aware of anywhere this has actually happened? Spam filters do all sorts of odd things but I don't recall this, and I see no point in putting in warnings unless they're about real problems. Regards, John Levine, john.levine@standcore.com Standcore LLC
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