Dear Eberhard,

That's exactly what the text says. Am not sure what is a showstopper for you.

Best,

Niels


On 6 November 2015 07:20:12 GMT-02:00, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
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We have been through this before.

ICANN must respect human rights.

Period.

No watering down.

No deferring for ever and a day (until the cows come down, ad kalendas
Graecas, or for the eco members: Sankt Nimmerleinstag).


This is a show stopper for me.

el

On 2015-11-06 07:57, Niels ten Oever wrote:
Dear all,

I think the text now clearly sets out the difference between
respect and protect, which is both reflected in the analysis and in
the bylaw text.

The framework for interpretation and implementation (there are
many different ways to do this, it is not black or white) is to be
developed after WS1 (as is also extensively elaborated in the!
document).

So I am also a bit unclear about the critique of the proposed
text.

If you have corrections which can make to text clearer or improve
it, for which we can find consensus, I am sure everyone would
appreciate it a lot.

Best,

Niels

On 11/05/2015 03:43 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
My view on this is:

Either someone respects human rights or one doesn't.

But to say one respects them and then say "but when we don't, go
talk to Isaac"[1], is not right.

!
greetings, el

[1] A variation of the reference to Arkell v Presdramm (1971,
unreported) pertaining to the Manager of a particular ccTLD.


On 2015-11-05 16:26, Nigel Roberts wrote:
I'm fine with the first sentence.

It's the subsequent qualifiers that could easily be
interpreted to mean ICANN can ignore it in practice that seem
problematic to me.

But no doubt others are better at expressing this than I.
On 05/11/15 14:15, Greg Shatan wrote:
Our very first sentence says that ICANN will respect Human
RIghts. Still not seeing the issue.

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