Our very first sentence says that ICANN will respect Human RIghts. Still not seeing the issue.

On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
The description for the role of private entities is "not at all, unless committed to by the private entity". So there's a major misunderstanding, as there is in the role played by ICANN as regards ccTLDs.

Here's a better formulation (from a US private corporation, no less)

"ExxonMobil actively promotes respect for human rights and is committed to complying with all applicable laws and regulations. "

On 05/11/15 13:44, Greg Shatan wrote:
Nigel,

Can you explain your issue? I can't discern it from your statement.

If it's with the "protect or enforce" language, it's my understanding
that those roles are played by governments, while the descriptor for the
role of private entities is "respect." I think our document makes that
clear, but if it could be clearer, your suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks!

Greg

On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Nigel Roberts <nigel@channelisles.net
<mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>> wrote:

    I have to say that I am rather dissatisfied with this camel.

    I see it translates as

    "Within its mission and in its operations, ICANN will respect
    internationally recognized human rights. But really it won't."

    Thus qualifer, which will eviscerate any commitment whatsoever to
    basic standards of respect for human rights in a privatised ICANN,
    means that ICANN is not worthy of transition until a meaningful
    committment is produced.


    On 03/11/15 13:58, McAuley, David wrote:

        I also want to thank Tatiana, Greg, Niels, Leon, and Matthew for
        this.

        I had a long-planned family event and did not see this final version
        until our CCWG call(1am my time) and so I probably surprised you by
        asking for a tweak. Sorry to take you by surprise like that.

        Here is the paragraph I sought a tweak on:

        /Within its mission and in its operations, ICANN will respect
        internationally recognized human rights. This commitment does
        not in any
        way create an obligation for ICANN, or any entity having a
        relationship
        with ICANN, to protect or enforce human rights. In particular,
        this does
        not create any obligation for ICANN to respond to or consider any
        complaint, request or demand seeking the enforcement of human
        rights by
        ICANN./

        //

        My concern was that the phrase */or any entity having a relationship
        with ICANN* / in the second sentence did not appear in the third
        before
        the words “/to respond”/.

        Yes, that would add to the “clunkiness” of the wording but the
        concern
        (the usual suspect) is that complainants lawyers will pick that
        difference apart to the great detriment of those having a
        relationship
        with ICANN. And that is why I ask for the change – and am glad our
        outside counsel will have a go at this in the end.

        Again, many thanks all.

        David McAuley

        *From:*wp4-bounces@icann.org [mailto:wp4-bounces@icann.org] *On
        Behalf
        Of *León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
        *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 8:51 PM
        *To:* Greg Shatan
        *Cc:* acct-staff@icann.org; wp4@icann.org
        *Subject:* Re: [Wp4] WP4 Deliverable: Elaborating an ICANN
        Commitment to
        Human RIghts

        Dear Greg,

        Thank you, Tatiana, Niels, Matthew and David for this new
        document. I
        think it's a great document that, from my perspective, appropriately
        reflects the work done in our WP4 and suggests concrete
        solutions and
        steps forward.

        Will wait for others to comment but I would say it's ok to be
        delivered
        and shared with the larger CCWG.

        Thanks to all in the WP. You have all made an outstanding job!

        Kind regards ,

        León


        El 02/11/2015, a las 7:36 p.m., Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com
        <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> escribió:

             All:

             Attached are Word and PDF versions of a proposed final
        draft of the
             deliverable of WP4, which is intended to become part of the
        next
             Report of the CCWG.

             Niels and Tatiana and Matt went through the document after
        our call
             and edited and resolved the proposed changes in the
        document.  I
             followed with further edits and formatting work.  I believe
        that all
             of us sought to be neutral /rapporteurs/ carrying out the
        sense of
             today's call and the work of our group.

             I felt that we needed a section which specifically set out the
             process and results of our discussions on refining the
        language of
             the Bylaw, rather than leaving this to our recommendations
        in the
             final section of the document.  Therefore, I took the
        liberty of
             creating such a section, and hope that you will find that this
             section reflects our work.

             This document also remains available on Google Drive.

             I look forward to any comments.

             Best regards,

             Greg

             <Elaborating an ICANN Commitment to Human Rights.docx>

             <Elaborating an ICANN Commitment to Human Rights.pdf>

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