Received: (qmail 7842 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2016 00:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.west.pexch112.icann.org) (64.78.40.10) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with (AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 16 Nov 2016 00:01:15 -0000 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:01:26 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:01:26 -0800 From: Karen Mulberry To: Lori Schulman CC: =?utf-8?B?TGXDs24gRmVsaXBlIFPDoW5jaGV6IEFtYsOtYQ==?= , Mathieu Weill , "Thomas Rickert" , ACCT-Staff Subject: Response from ICANN Legal questions from Guidelines For Standard of Conduct...Subgroup Thread-Topic: Response from ICANN Legal questions from Guidelines For Standard of Conduct...Subgroup Thread-Index: AQHSP5yT4CqbI5+3fE+HufILgvDzvw== Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:01:26 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.236] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3562074084_2414306" X-Rfx-Message-Id: 18089707812/31414601272/0001 X-Rfx-Recipient-Address: lschulman@inta.org MIME-Version: 1.0 --B_3562074084_2414306 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="B_3562074084_2373372" --B_3562074084_2373372 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3562074084_2428554" --B_3562074084_2428554 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Here is a response from ICANN Legal to the questions that the Guidelines Subgroup raised. Karen Mulberry Multistakeholder Strategy and Strategic Initiatives ICANN =20 Here=E2=80=99s the response from ICANN Legal There has not been any conflict assessment of this issue, and indeed no conflict arises. The ICANN legal team does not report to the Board. The ICANN legal team's obligation is to the organization and to uphold the Bylaws. The ICANN Bylaws now include a right of the community to directly remove Board members, and also allow for, at Section 20.2, the indemnification of community members who participate in good faith in those removal proceedings. It is ICANN's obligation to uphold that Bylaw. Providing guidelines to the community on what "good faith" could mean in these circumstances was recommended by ICANN. It is of benefit to all - th= e ICANN community, board and organization, to understand and agree upon what conduct is appropriate in these circumstances. This is a collective - and not an adverse - effort. The guidelines developed by the community are not expected to be overly burdensome or restrictive, but to provide some path o= f "if you do x=E2=80=8B while participating in the conversation, that tends to demonstrate good faith". There could be concerns, of course, depending on how the guidelines are drafted, as to whether they meet the requirements of law. For example, a guideline that suggests that "good faith" participation allows willful avoidance of facts (which, of course, is not part of the group's deliberations to date) should not be acceptable to any attorney reviewing the document, whether they are with ICANN's legal department or external. It will also be very important to understand if the ICANN legal department identifies any potential legal issues with the text as drafted, as that could impact whether the Board is in a position to accept the recommendatio= n based on issues of legality. We recommend, as a starting point, that the guidelines be presented to the ICANN legal department for review. If it were to occur that the ICANN legal department raises a challenge to any of the guidelines, and it is believed by those participating in the discussion that there would be a benefit to obtain additional advice or a different viewpoint, that might be an appropriate point for reference to external counsel. =E2=80=94=20 Samantha Eisner Deputy General Counsel, ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, California 90094 USA Direct Dial: +1 310 578 8631 From: Lori Schulman Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 7:08 PM To: MSSI Secretariat Subject: Question for CCWG Legal Sub Team from Guidelines For Standard of Conduct...Subgroup Dear Secretariat, =20 Our subgroup has a question regarding legal review of the Draft Guidelines for Standard of Conduct Presumed to Be Good Faith with Exercising Removal o= f ICANN Board Members. We discussed the issue at our October 3 meeting and we do not anticipate the need for heavy assistance. However, it would be prudent, once the draft guidelines are completed, to have a review by a legal expert with substantial experience in California nonprofit governance= . We want to make sure that there are no red flags or precedents contrary to our recommendations. Diligence requires process and as long as we have a clear and documented process, we should be able to meet a =E2=80=9Cgood faith=E2=80=9D standard. However, given the quirks of CA law, the subgroup would not want to assume anything. We would anticipate maybe 8-10 hours of very experienced, independent attorney time at a maximum. Our understanding is that we are to ask for the assistance of the ICANN in-house legal team before we go to outside counsel. This seems to be a prudent, cost-effectiv= e measure. However, we are concerned about a possible conflict of interest with an in-house team that essentially reports to the Board. Has this particular conflict been vetted with regard to creating guidelines for good faith conduct for petitioning for a Board member=E2=80=99s removal, or the entire Board for that matter, and having a legal team that reports to the Board review it? If so, would you kindly direct us to the opinion? If not, may we have guidance in this area? =20 We are happy to discuss our concerns with members of the Legal Sub team as necessary. =20 Lori =20 =20 Lori Schulman Senior Director, Internet Policy International Trademark Association 1250 Connecticut Avenue, Suite 200 Washington DC, USA +1-202-704-0408, skype: lsschulman www.inta.org[inta.org] =20 Find us on: Twitter[twitter.com] LinkedIn[linkedin.com] Facebook[facebook.com] =20 =20 --B_3562074084_2428554 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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Here’s the response from ICANN Legal

There has not been any conflict assessment of this issue, and indeed no con= flict arises.

The ICANN legal team does not report to the Board.  The ICANN legal te= am's obligation is to the organization and to uphold the Bylaws.  The I= CANN Bylaws now include a right of the community to directly remove Board me= mbers, and also allow for, at Section 20.2, the indemnification of community members who participate in good faith in = those removal proceedings.  It is ICANN's obligation to uphold that Byl= aw.

Providing guidelines to the community on what "good faith" could mean in th= ese circumstances was recommended by ICANN.  It is of benefit to all - = the ICANN community, board and organization, to understand and agree upon wh= at conduct is appropriate in these circumstances.  This is a collective - and not an adverse - effort.&n= bsp; The guidelines developed by the community are not expected to be o= verly burdensome or restrictive, but to provide some path of "if you do = ;x=E2=80=8B while participating in the conversation, that tends to demonstrate good faith".  

There could be concerns, of course, depending on how the guidelines are dra= fted, as to whether they meet the requirements of law.  For example, a = guideline that suggests that "good faith" participation allows willful avoid= ance of facts (which, of course, is not part of the group's deliberations to date) should not be acceptab= le to any attorney reviewing the document, whether they are with ICANN's leg= al department or external.  It will also be very important to understan= d if the ICANN legal department identifies any potential legal issues with the text as drafted, as that could impact = whether the Board is in a position to accept the recommendation based on iss= ues of legality.
=

We recommend, as a starting point, that the guidelines be presented to the = ICANN legal department for review. If it were to occur that the ICANN legal = department raises a challenge to any of the guidelines, and it is believed b= y those participating in the discussion that there would be a benefit to obtain additional advice or a different v= iewpoint, that might be an appropriate point for reference to external couns= el.
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Samantha Eisner
Deputy General Counsel, = ICANN
12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
Los Angeles, Cal= ifornia 90094
USA
Direct Dial: +1 310 578 8631

From: Lori Sch= ulman <lschulman@inta.org>
= Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 7:0= 8 PM
To: MSSI Secretariat <mssi-secretariat@icann.org>Subject: Question for CCWG Legal Sub = Team from Guidelines For Standard of Conduct...Subgroup

Dear Secretariat,

 

Ou= r subgroup has a question regarding legal review of the Draft Guidelines for Standard of Conduct Presumed to Be Good Faith with Exerci= sing Removal of ICANN Board Members. We discussed the issue at our Octob= er 3 meeting and we do not anticipate the need for heavy assistance.  &= nbsp;However, it would be prudent, once the draft guidelines are completed, to have a review by a legal expert wit= h substantial experience in California nonprofit governance.  We want t= o make sure that there are no red flags or precedents contrary to our recomm= endations. Diligence requires process and as long as we have a clear and documented process, we should be able t= o meet a “good faith” standard.  However, given the quirks = of CA law, the subgroup would not want to assume anything.  We would an= ticipate maybe 8-10 hours of very experienced, independent attorney time at a maximum.  Our understanding is that we are to ask = for the assistance of the ICANN in-house legal team before we go to outside = counsel.  This seems to be a prudent, cost-effective measure.  How= ever, we are concerned about a possible conflict of interest with an in-house team that essentially reports to the Board. &= nbsp; Has this particular conflict been vetted with regard to creating = guidelines for good faith conduct for petitioning for a Board member’s= removal, or the entire Board for that matter, and having a legal team that reports to the Board review it?  If so, = would you kindly direct us to the opinion?  If not, may we have guidanc= e in this area?

 

We are happy to discuss our concerns with members of the Le= gal Sub team as necessary.

 

Lori

 

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Lori Schulman

Senior Director= , Internet Policy

In= ternational Trademark Association

1250 Connecticut Avenue, S= uite 200

Washington DC,= USA

+1-202-704-0408, skype: lsschulman

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