All,

I would like to see if there is significant support in the Subgroup for moving this week's call back to Wednesday, August 2 at 13:00 UTC based on the request from Kavouss Arasteh below.  

I note the following (1) if we move the call back to Wednesday, Sam Eisner can't join us and thus we would not have the OFAC-related discussion planned for this week, (2) Mr. Arasteh approved the move from Wednesday to Tuesday in an email on Friday, July 28, and (3) Virgin of Los Angeles Day on August 2 is a national holiday in Costa Rica, not a regional or urban holiday (the Virgin of Los Angeles is the patron saint of Costa Rica).

In the absence of significant support in the Subgroup, we will keep the call schedule as is.

Please weigh in quickly as time is very tight for such scheduling changes.

Thank you.

Greg

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 2:53 PM Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir, Pls indicate ,based on the participation list at the Sub Group, who from those long list attend the sub group .

But from Switzerland ,at least three

Moreover, I do not understand Los Angles day, we are talking of National Holidays NOT REGIONAL OR URBAN HOLIDAYSD

Regards

Kavouss

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir,

your comments is totally misleading.

Regards

Kavouss  

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:

Indeed, we should not have meetings on the national holiday of any nation.  Here is a helpful list for August: http://www.officeholidays.com/2017/08.php

 

Paul

 

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From: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:12 PM
To: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>; Thomas Rickert <rickert@anwaelte.de>; Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>
Cc: ACCT-Staff <acct-staff@icann.org>; ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org>

Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300

 

Dear Bernard,

It is a pity that SAM Unfortunately cannot join our Wednesday 2 August 1300 meeting but could participate on Tuesday 1 August 1300 to cover the topics of OFAC and Choice of Law from the ICANN perspective.

However, tomorrow 01 August is the National Holiday in Switzerland and must be respected by all means. See Below

The Swiss National Day is the national holiday of Switzerland, set on 1 August. It has been an official national holiday since 1994 , although the day had been used for the celebration of the foundation of the Swiss Confederacy for the first time in 1891, and then repeated annually since 1899.^1]

The date is inspired by the date of the Federal Charter of 1291, Pacte du Grutli, placed in "early August",^[2] when "three Alpine cantons swore the oath of confederation" (Schwyz, Uri and Unterwald), an action which later came to be regarded as the foundation of Switzerland."^{[3] needed]}

The Federal Charter of 1291 first assumed great importance in a report by the Federal Department of Home Affairs of 21 November 1889, suggesting a celebration in Bern in 1891 that would combine the city's 700th anniversary with the Confederacy's 600th anniversary.^{[citation needed]}

^{I remember, we did not have any meeting on 4TH July as we respected the National Holiday of American.}

^{I therefore have serious difficulties to accept the shift of the meeting from 02 to 01 August disrespecting the national holiday of a respectful nation}

^{Pls move the meeting back to 02 August}

^Regards

^Kavouss

 

 

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:

+1 

 

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From: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Carter
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:39 PM
To: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>
Cc: ACCT-Staff (acct-staff@icann.org) <acct-staff@icann.org>; ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300

 

Dear Kavouss, dear all,

 

I would like to lend my support to the process that Greg has set out. It is important for the integrity of the CCWG's process that decisions about what work to request from ICANN are made by sub-groups as a whole or by the CCWG plenary.

 

If the Jurisdiction group decides that the sort of written material being requested is required, then I am sure that ICANN will look favourably at that request and provide it as soon as possible.

The written transcripts of the call will help make any verbal briefings and information available and easier to understand as well.

 

I look forward to hearing how the call goes.

 

All bests,

Jordan

 

 

On 31 July 2017 at 07:40, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Greg

Thank you for reply.

I know many people do not wish to react or act on OFAC as they would like that such unreasonable continued to be applied to some limited number of countries . You may not have any point to do that .

Sam Eisner explanation MUST BE IN WRITTEN FORM as I have serious difficulties to understand her  message while she may speak very  well but I have difficulty to get the message  so I want an advance copy of her explanation before the meeting  .

Pls note that I am not alone on the issue. If there are not other people at call that does not mean that I am alone.

It seems that OFAC ISSUE WILL NOT BE TREATED since according to you there is no support for that. That is not what we expected from your Group.

I know that there must be other motivation than technical and administrative that this question is rejected by you and your colleagues.

However, this is an important issue and MUST be addressed .

You can not ignore it even if there are few countries affected.

I will not leave as such to be put at corner by you. I will insist and ask for a written documents

There is no relation with state assets and DNS .There were and still there are other motivation to apply it and other motivation NOT to address it. I do not know what are those motivations.

At any meeting you as a participants push and sushi for your points and taking considerable amount of time of the meeting since you have several supporters.

Pls kindly reconsider your position and be a little bit helpful and not categorically object to my legitimate requiert .

Tks for your kind attention and advice

Kavouss

 

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:

Kavouss,

 

I am responding to your various emails regarding your request that ICANN Legal be required to prepare a comprehensive "written history background Document" on OFAC and ICANN before meeting with the Jurisdiction Subgroup.  As you know, Samantha Eisner from ICANN Legal is scheduled to meet with the Jurisdiction Subgroup on Tuesday, August 1 at 13:00. 

 

You suggested this course of action in the Jurisdiction Subgroup meeting on July 26.  There was no other support for this course of action in the Subgroup meeting.  At that time, I proposed that we would start by hearing from ICANN legal in the meeting and engaging in Q&A with ICANN.  The Subgroup would then be able to decide if we needed to ask ICANN further questions, if we wanted written responses, etc.  There was no opposition to this course of action, other than from yourself.  I believe this is all reflected in the transcript.

 

I will note that, subsequent to the meeting, no one from the Subgroup has responded to your emails in support of your request.  In conjunction with the results in the Subgroup meeting, I believe it fair to conclude that there is not sufficient support for your request in the Subgroup.

 

Therefore, we will proceed as agreed on the last call and documented in the transcript.  We will hear from ICANN Legal and ask questions. The Subgroup (and not any single participant) will then decide what, if any, follow-up is needed.  

 

After this email, I will send out an email to the list requesting questions for ICANN Legal, which we can provide them in advance of the call.  I hope that you will contribute to this effort.

 

Please note that there are times when professional and personal obligations may prevent from responding to ICANN-related emails as quickly as I might wish.  As with all of my ICANN activities, I am acting as Rapporteur entirely on a volunteer basis, which is only possible if I meet my obligations to my employer and our clients, devote some time to my family, and attend to other responsibilities that may be pressing at any given time.

 

I look forward to your continued contributions to the work of the Jurisdiction Subgroup.

 

Best regards,

 

Greg Shatan

 

 

 

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Grec, I have no problem for moving that meeting by one day to Tuseday.

But I insist that before the meeting we need a written history background Document as I have asked.

I think this is absolutely necessary e to have a written doc. in addition to verbal explanation by SAM ,

I do not understand why my e-mail has not been replied.

Pls kindly explain.

Herb is kindly requested to monitor the process as I will take the non reply formally to him and to the co-chairs that till now have not reacted even though I copied  my correspendenc to them as well

Regards

 

 

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu> wrote:

The time change is OK with me.

 

Hopefully we can devote all of the call to Q&A on OFAC and choice of law and can dispense with the other stuff.

 

We might also provide a channel for advance submission of questions so that the opportunity to ask questions is fairly distributed among different subgroup participants.

 

Dr. Milton L. Mueller

Professor, School of Public Policy

Georgia Institute of Technology

 

 

 

 

From: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Turcotte
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:26 PM
To: ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org>; ACCT-Staff (acct-staff@icann.org) <acct-staff@icann.org>
Subject: [Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300

 

All,

 

Unfortunately Sam Eisner cannot join our Wednesday 2 August 1300 meeting but could participate on Tuesday 1 August 1300 to cover the topics of OFAC and Choice of Law from the ICANN perspective.

 

As such Greg is suggesting that we move our scheduled meeting to Tuesday 1 August 1300 and cancel the Wednesday 2 August 1300 meeting.

 

Please advise acct-staff@icann.org by 23:59 UTC 27 July if you have serious objections to this change of date.

 

Greg will consider the responses and confirm his decision regarding this by the EOB tomorrow to allow everyone to plan accordingly.

 

For Greg Shatan

 

Bernard Turcotte

ICANN Support Staff to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2

 

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