Strongly agree. Best regards, John Laprise, Ph.D. Consulting Scholar <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/ From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com] Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 4:03 PM To: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com> Cc: accountability-cross-community@icann.org; ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues And once the criteria have been established, I think we’d also need to clearly demonstrate whether/how the current (US/California) jurisdiction fails to deliver on some/all of these identified points. Thank you, J. ----- James Bladel From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> > on behalf of Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 16:00 To: John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com <mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com> > Cc: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> " <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> >, ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org> > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues Other criteria might include ease of access to courts and other forms of redress (e.g., arbitration), including timing and predictability of results, and ease of enforcing judgments (including enforcing judgments abroad). Political and financial stability and personal safety could also come into play. Government policies such as strength of freedom of speech and any history of unilaterally nationalizing businesses could also be criteria. In this specific instance, we would need to look at whether the accountability mechanisms that the CCWG arrived at in WS1 could be carried out under that jurisdiction's laws. As John Laprise notes, there are multiple complex criteria, and we could possibly get information from outside entities that measure various criteria if this was something to be pursued. Greg On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:24 PM, John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com <mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com> > wrote: Criteria might include strength (vis a vis rule of law), fairness, and level of corruption. These are complex criteria which can be (and are by various entities) broken down into component attributes. Best regards, John Laprise, Ph.D. Consulting Scholar <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/ From: Zakir Syed [mailto:zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com <mailto:zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com> ] Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:04 PM To: John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com <mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com> >; Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> >; Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu <mailto:milton@gatech.edu> > Cc: ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org> ; accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues What would be the criteria for the acceptability of such a "superior jurisdiction"? _____ From: John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com <mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com> > To: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> >; "Mueller, Milton L" <milton@gatech.edu <mailto:milton@gatech.edu> > Cc: "ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org> " <ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org> >; "accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> " <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues "Any stable jurisdiction where the corporate law provides suitable accountability would do." This is the crux of the argument regarding jurisdiction. Until advocates of ICANN relocation can identify a superior jurisdiction acceptable to all, the question is moot and should be tabled with Kavous's and Parminder's objections noted. On Thu, Dec 29, 2016, 4:50 PM Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> > wrote: Dear Professor, You put too much emphasis on private . Please read Bylaws Core value and the R9ole of Governments Regards Kavouss 2016-12-29 23:01 GMT+01:00 Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu <mailto:milton@gatech.edu> >: Milton, since you seem to so very clear about everything, and on a crusade to correct everyone's confusions MM: Oh dear, I’ve been called a “crusader.” (It almost made me fall off my horse.) can you give us an example of such "jurisdiction that does not involve national borders at all", without it implying an agreement reached among states. Are you promoting US jurisdiction as such jurisdiction without borders? MM: ICANN was based on a strategy of globalization through private law. In order to avoid jurisdictional fragmentation of the domain name system, it created a global governance agency based on private contracts. Of course as a private corp ICANN has to be incorporated somewhere, in this case for historical reasons it was the US. It then issues private contracts that apply anywhere, like other multinationals. It does not have to be incorporated in the US to follow this strategy. Any stable jurisdiction where the corporate law provides suitable accountability would do. So the short answer to your typically manipulative question is no, I am not promoting “US jurisdiction as such,” I am calling attention to the rationale behind the original decision to make ICANN a private nonprofit. _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community