All, Here is the proposed issues list in its current state, downloaded from Google Drive. Greg
Thinking aloud: Imagine these are the issues we've been trying to avoid thus far. It just wasn't worth it. Regards PS: Perhaps there are more issues folks are yet submit. @Staff kindly pen me down for dialout. Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Jul 18, 2017 1:58 PM, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
Here is the proposed issues list in its current state, downloaded from Google Drive.
Greg
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Greg/ All First of all, it is necessary for me to state that my continued engagement with this process is "under protest", and I cannot reconcile with the deliberate and unacceptable procedural mishap whereby the chairs unilaterally changed the mandate of this group, which was arrived at through processes of intricate negotiations and adjustments, and promises. It was not only a complete breach of faith, but will remain a permanent black mark on ICANN processes, and their vaunted openness and inclusiveness. When at the start of the IANA transition process many people raised the jurisdiction question (as in application of US public law, and not just private law) they were hoodwinked and told that this topic will indeed be discussed but since IANA transition was not dependent on it (rightly so) it belonged to workstream 2. And in workstream 2 when people asked the subject to be taken up in earnest, the chairs interceded out of nowhere to abolish it from the mandate. Majority of people who responded to this interjection by chairs - whether in this elist, or at the f2f meeting - expressed reservations with the process (other than a small US based group, which has a conflict of interest on the issue in the matter of discussing ICANN's jurisdiction issue). So, this really is ICANN, and its participatory culture!! Having got that off my head, but really more needed to be expressed as a matter of form: Greg, there was the google doc on issues, where I had submitted a list of 5-6 core issues long back that I see this group should address. Can I see that doc with that earlier version again. Where is that doc now, and why this list is being prepared de novo.... I remember that midway Kavouss also made an elaborate list of issues in an email..... We may not agree on adopting one solution or the other, but people do have a right to list what are the issues and problems according to them. And also you can see the composition of this group, some of us from developing countries have limited presence and accordingly limited time and we cannot keep responding to newer and newer processes. I will request to bring back the original list of issues that we have been arguing for months here. I am surprised at this truncated self-serving list of issues. parminder On Tuesday 18 July 2017 06:28 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:
All,
Here is the proposed issues list in its current state, downloaded from Google Drive.
Greg
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Greg May I repeat my request to provide link to the original google doc with the list of issues etc that was around till a few months back. Thanks, parminder On Tuesday 01 August 2017 11:03 AM, parminder wrote:
Greg/ All
First of all, it is necessary for me to state that my continued engagement with this process is "under protest", and I cannot reconcile with the deliberate and unacceptable procedural mishap whereby the chairs unilaterally changed the mandate of this group, which was arrived at through processes of intricate negotiations and adjustments, and promises. It was not only a complete breach of faith, but will remain a permanent black mark on ICANN processes, and their vaunted openness and inclusiveness. When at the start of the IANA transition process many people raised the jurisdiction question (as in application of US public law, and not just private law) they were hoodwinked and told that this topic will indeed be discussed but since IANA transition was not dependent on it (rightly so) it belonged to workstream 2. And in workstream 2 when people asked the subject to be taken up in earnest, the chairs interceded out of nowhere to abolish it from the mandate. Majority of people who responded to this interjection by chairs - whether in this elist, or at the f2f meeting - expressed reservations with the process (other than a small US based group, which has a conflict of interest on the issue in the matter of discussing ICANN's jurisdiction issue). So, this really is ICANN, and its participatory culture!!
Having got that off my head, but really more needed to be expressed as a matter of form:
Greg, there was the google doc on issues, where I had submitted a list of 5-6 core issues long back that I see this group should address. Can I see that doc with that earlier version again. Where is that doc now, and why this list is being prepared de novo.... I remember that midway Kavouss also made an elaborate list of issues in an email..... We may not agree on adopting one solution or the other, but people do have a right to list what are the issues and problems according to them. And also you can see the composition of this group, some of us from developing countries have limited presence and accordingly limited time and we cannot keep responding to newer and newer processes. I will request to bring back the original list of issues that we have been arguing for months here. I am surprised at this truncated self-serving list of issues.
parminder
On Tuesday 18 July 2017 06:28 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:
All,
Here is the proposed issues list in its current state, downloaded from Google Drive.
Greg
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Dear Greg, May I kindly remind you that I made a similar suggestion some meetings ago? In fact, both the “layers” and the “impact” docs on which we worked some months ago listed many issues (of which I contributed some). It would be useful if staff could lend a hand in transferring that information to the new issues paper you have prepared. Thanks for taking this into considerations and kind regards Jorge Jorge Cancio International Relations Federal Department of the Environment, Transport, Energy and Communications DETEC Federal Office of Communications OFCOM mailto: jorge.cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:mailto:%20jorge.cancio@bakom.admin.ch> www.bakom.admin.ch<http://www.bakom.admin.ch/> [cid:image001.png@01D2F585.7A604270] Igf2017.swiss<https://igf2017.swiss/> info@igf2017.swiss<mailto:info@igf2017.swiss> Von: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] Im Auftrag von parminder Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. August 2017 06:39 An: ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org Betreff: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Issues List Greg May I repeat my request to provide link to the original google doc with the list of issues etc that was around till a few months back. Thanks, parminder On Tuesday 01 August 2017 11:03 AM, parminder wrote: Greg/ All First of all, it is necessary for me to state that my continued engagement with this process is "under protest", and I cannot reconcile with the deliberate and unacceptable procedural mishap whereby the chairs unilaterally changed the mandate of this group, which was arrived at through processes of intricate negotiations and adjustments, and promises. It was not only a complete breach of faith, but will remain a permanent black mark on ICANN processes, and their vaunted openness and inclusiveness. When at the start of the IANA transition process many people raised the jurisdiction question (as in application of US public law, and not just private law) they were hoodwinked and told that this topic will indeed be discussed but since IANA transition was not dependent on it (rightly so) it belonged to workstream 2. And in workstream 2 when people asked the subject to be taken up in earnest, the chairs interceded out of nowhere to abolish it from the mandate. Majority of people who responded to this interjection by chairs - whether in this elist, or at the f2f meeting - expressed reservations with the process (other than a small US based group, which has a conflict of interest on the issue in the matter of discussing ICANN's jurisdiction issue). So, this really is ICANN, and its participatory culture!! Having got that off my head, but really more needed to be expressed as a matter of form: Greg, there was the google doc on issues, where I had submitted a list of 5-6 core issues long back that I see this group should address. Can I see that doc with that earlier version again. Where is that doc now, and why this list is being prepared de novo.... I remember that midway Kavouss also made an elaborate list of issues in an email..... We may not agree on adopting one solution or the other, but people do have a right to list what are the issues and problems according to them. And also you can see the composition of this group, some of us from developing countries have limited presence and accordingly limited time and we cannot keep responding to newer and newer processes. I will request to bring back the original list of issues that we have been arguing for months here. I am surprised at this truncated self-serving list of issues. parminder On Tuesday 18 July 2017 06:28 PM, Greg Shatan wrote: All, Here is the proposed issues list in its current state, downloaded from Google Drive. Greg _______________________________________________ Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org<mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction _______________________________________________ Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org<mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction
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