Draft progress report for the Work Stream 2 project on SOAC Accountability -- for
As promised on our call last week, your rapporteurs drafted a first report on our SOAC project for Work Stream 2. This report begins with background on SOAC Accountability from the CCWG final proposal, with links to underlying documents. Then we summarize discussions on the first and second calls. The document is attached as a PDF, and we’ve posted a Google Doc where participants and observers can add their suggestions. Google Doc is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmoiep8NeshNpomBNM4bBX... We will soon circulate an agenda for our next call, occurring 0500 UTC on Thursday 18-Aug.
Thanks for posting this Steve... Now team comment and discuss!!!! On 16 Aug 2016 22:46, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:
As promised on our call last week, your rapporteurs drafted a first report on our SOAC project for Work Stream 2.
This report begins with background on SOAC Accountability from the CCWG final proposal, with links to underlying documents.
Then we summarize discussions on the first and second calls.
The document is attached as a PDF, and we’ve posted a Google Doc where participants and observers can add their suggestions.
Google Doc is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmo iep8NeshNpomBNM4bBXYpA/edit?usp=sharing
We will soon circulate an agenda for our next call, occurring 0500 UTC on Thursday 18-Aug.
Dear Co-Chairs I have provided a substantial comments on the matter Where are my comments? Have you ignored that? Pls point out me towards area that they are t included. I raised basic and fundamental questions . If one or all three co- Chairs do not like it ,they MUST INCLUDE THOSE COMMENTS IN THE DRAFT I am serious Kavouss 2016-08-16 14:49 GMT+02:00 Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com>:
Thanks for posting this Steve... Now team comment and discuss!!!!
On 16 Aug 2016 22:46, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:
As promised on our call last week, your rapporteurs drafted a first report on our SOAC project for Work Stream 2.
This report begins with background on SOAC Accountability from the CCWG final proposal, with links to underlying documents.
Then we summarize discussions on the first and second calls.
The document is attached as a PDF, and we’ve posted a Google Doc where participants and observers can add their suggestions.
Google Doc is at https://docs.google.com/doc ument/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmoiep8NeshNpomBNM4bBXYpA/edit?usp=sharing
We will soon circulate an agenda for our next call, occurring 0500 UTC on Thursday 18-Aug.
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Dear Kavouss, I have tried to capture everything in the doc. But only captured the comments during the call. You can add the points you raised in the mailing list and anything else in the document. Best Farzaneh On 16 Aug 2016 3:00 p.m., "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Co-Chairs I have provided a substantial comments on the matter Where are my comments? Have you ignored that? Pls point out me towards area that they are t included. I raised basic and fundamental questions . If one or all three co- Chairs do not like it ,they MUST INCLUDE THOSE COMMENTS IN THE DRAFT I am serious Kavouss
2016-08-16 14:49 GMT+02:00 Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com>:
Thanks for posting this Steve... Now team comment and discuss!!!!
On 16 Aug 2016 22:46, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:
As promised on our call last week, your rapporteurs drafted a first report on our SOAC project for Work Stream 2.
This report begins with background on SOAC Accountability from the CCWG final proposal, with links to underlying documents.
Then we summarize discussions on the first and second calls.
The document is attached as a PDF, and we’ve posted a Google Doc where participants and observers can add their suggestions.
Google Doc is at https://docs.google.com/doc ument/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmoiep8NeshNpomBNM4bBXYpA/edit?usp=sharing
We will soon circulate an agenda for our next call, occurring 0500 UTC on Thursday 18-Aug.
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Dear Fartzaneh i have made serious comments and request you to kindly capture THEM ALL I have spent considerable time and I do not want to present them again AT THE FUTURE CALL In /at the last call I was inappropriately and unfairly interrupted by the person conducting the call I WILL NOT support that in future. We must be given ample opportunity to freely and democratically express our views and NO Co-Chair is allowed to interrupt any speaker I mentioned that at the third CCWG call, If some people pushing to misinterpret any of the stress tests I strongly object to that Pls carefully read my comments and capture them kindly Much appreciated 2016-08-16 15:10 GMT+02:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>:
Dear Kavouss,
I have tried to capture everything in the doc. But only captured the comments during the call. You can add the points you raised in the mailing list and anything else in the document.
Best
Farzaneh
On 16 Aug 2016 3:00 p.m., "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Co-Chairs I have provided a substantial comments on the matter Where are my comments? Have you ignored that? Pls point out me towards area that they are t included. I raised basic and fundamental questions . If one or all three co- Chairs do not like it ,they MUST INCLUDE THOSE COMMENTS IN THE DRAFT I am serious Kavouss
2016-08-16 14:49 GMT+02:00 Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com>:
Thanks for posting this Steve... Now team comment and discuss!!!!
On 16 Aug 2016 22:46, "Steve DelBianco" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:
As promised on our call last week, your rapporteurs drafted a first report on our SOAC project for Work Stream 2.
This report begins with background on SOAC Accountability from the CCWG final proposal, with links to underlying documents.
Then we summarize discussions on the first and second calls.
The document is attached as a PDF, and we’ve posted a Google Doc where participants and observers can add their suggestions.
Google Doc is at https://docs.google.com/doc ument/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmoiep8NeshNpomBNM4bBXYpA/edit?usp=sharing
We will soon circulate an agenda for our next call, occurring 0500 UTC on Thursday 18-Aug.
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Steve - This is an excellent report - my thanks to the rapporteurs for their efforts! I will add one note to the document, and that is simply that we need to specifically consider SO/AC accountability _with respect to the scope of ICANN’s Mission_, rather than in general. For example, the ASO AC may perform activities on behalf of the Internet numbers community which are unrelated to the specific tasks in the ASO/ICANN agreement and the IETF for all practical matter performs all of its activities external to ICANN - It is perfectly reasonable to consider accountability of SO/AC’s within ICANN, but that should be for activities also within ICANN. This is not an issue with respect to organizations defined entirely by and within ICANN, but rather for those communities that organize independently of ICANN and have a formal legal agreement of the relationship with ICANN. /John Disclaimer - my views alone.
On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:
As promised on our call last week, your rapporteurs drafted a first report on our SOAC project for Work Stream 2.
This report begins with background on SOAC Accountability from the CCWG final proposal, with links to underlying documents.
Then we summarize discussions on the first and second calls.
The document is attached as a PDF, and we’ve posted a Google Doc where participants and observers can add their suggestions.
Google Doc is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmoiep8NeshNpomBNM4bBX... <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmoiep8NeshNpomBNM4bBX...>
We will soon circulate an agenda for our next call, occurring 0500 UTC on Thursday 18-Aug.
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Steve I have sent you a detailed and comprehensive comments pls include them in the draft Regards Kavouss 2016-08-16 21:39 GMT+02:00 John Curran <jcurran@istaff.org>:
Steve -
This is an excellent report - my thanks to the rapporteurs for their efforts!
I will add one note to the document, and that is simply that we need to specifically consider SO/AC accountability _with respect to the scope of ICANN’s Mission_, rather than in general. For example, the ASO AC may perform activities on behalf of the Internet numbers community which are unrelated to the specific tasks in the ASO/ICANN agreement and the IETF for all practical matter performs all of its activities external to ICANN - It is perfectly reasonable to consider accountability of SO/AC’s within ICANN, but that should be for activities also within ICANN. This is not an issue with respect to organizations defined entirely by and within ICANN, but rather for those communities that organize independently of ICANN and have a formal legal agreement of the relationship with ICANN.
/John
Disclaimer - my views alone.
On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:
As promised on our call last week, your rapporteurs drafted a first report on our SOAC project for Work Stream 2.
This report begins with background on SOAC Accountability from the CCWG final proposal, with links to underlying documents.
Then we summarize discussions on the first and second calls.
The document is attached as a PDF, and we’ve posted a Google Doc where participants and observers can add their suggestions.
Google Doc is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmo iep8NeshNpomBNM4bBXYpA/edit?usp=sharing
We will soon circulate an agenda for our next call, occurring 0500 UTC on Thursday 18-Aug.
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On Aug 16, 2016, at 3:39 PM, John Curran <jcurran@istaff.org> wrote:
I will add one note to the document, and that is simply that we need to specifically consider SO/AC accountability _with respect to the scope of ICANN’s Mission_, rather than in general. For example, the ASO AC may perform activities on behalf of the Internet numbers community which are unrelated to the specific tasks in the ASO/ICANN agreement and the IETF for all practical matter performs all of its activities external to ICANN - It is perfectly reasonable to consider accountability of SO/AC’s within ICANN, but that should be for activities also within ICANN. This is not an issue with respect to organizations defined entirely by and within ICANN, but rather for those communities that organize independently of ICANN and have a formal legal agreement of the relationship with ICANN.
Apologies - apparently I was repeating a point (i.e. that the scope of this effort should be explicitly defined to be with respect to the role of SO's and AC's within ICANN) that was already stated by Athina Fragkouli [an ASO representative to the CCWG WS2] on our 4 August call... From the transcript - <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61604121 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61604121>>
ATHINA FRAGKOULI: Yes, thank you very much. The whole project is about ICANN’s accountability. Of course, SOs and ACs have a role and several responsibilities within the ICANN structure. I believe we should be very careful of that because for example, the number policy discussions are not taking place within ICANN. They’re taking place elsewhere, and ASO has a very specific role there. This role is to channel policy proposals that are made elsewhere. Some of the accountability tools and measures we discussed might not be applicable in the ASO, for example. I would suggest that it might be appropriate to lead a little bit the scope of this SO/AC accountability in the role of each SO and AC within ICANN. Thank you.
It might be helpful if this point made into our draft progress report so it does not have to be restated on each call. Thanks, /John Disclaimer: my views alone.
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Cheryl Langdon-Orr -
farzaneh badii -
John Curran -
Kavouss Arasteh -
Steve DelBianco