CCWG-Accountability-WS2-StaffAcct - Next meeting and next steps
All, Given the positive comments with respect to the latest draft of the recommendations we are proposing the following way forward: - We are proposing a meeting of the Staff Acct sub-group Tuesday February 20 1900 UTC to finalize the latest version of the recommendations. - As per the current procedure we will require 5 confirmation of attendance to confirm the meeting 36 hours prior to the proposed meeting time. - Please reply to this email or to the list to confirm you participation by Monday 19 February 0700 UTC. If we do not obtain 5 confirmations the meeting will be cancelled. - If we are obliged to cancel the Tuesday 20 February 1900 UTC meeting we will consider that the latest draft of the recommendations as final and these will be forwarded to the plenary 21 February for a reading at its Wednesday 28 February 1900 UTC meeting. Thank You. Bernard Turcotte ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2 for Jordan. On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz> wrote:
Thanks Cheryl, Klaus!
Pam, others?
Jordan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 3:14 AM, Klaus Stoll <kdrstoll@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jordan
Greeting. Keeping things short and sweet: I support the changes to Recommendation 3.
Yours
Klaus
On 2/12/2018 11:34 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:
Hi all
Thanks to Pam and to others for comments and discussion of the proposed updated recommendations.
I've had a call with ICANN staff and with Avri as the former rapporteur, and I've carefully considered the on list traffic.
I'm proposing a different approach that works service levels back in, closer to our original recommendations. You can find that in the re-revised Recommendation 3.
This approach may result in ICANN org or board pushback, but I think it responds to their key concern about scope of the work on service levels while providing a way to make that work, and inviting the organisation to commit to service level targets and guidelines that are meaningful for the community.
PDFs with track changes and clean are attached.
*I would be grateful if you could share comments about this asap, as we will need to take it through the plenary for approval as a first reading on 21 Feb. *That means in theory 14 Feb is our deadline to send the document around.
*Could I ask for comments within the next 24hrs from send time for this message?*
I paste the revised proposed language below too for your reference.
Thanks in advance, Jordan
*3. ICANN Organization should work with the community to develop and publish service level targets and guidelines (similar to the Service Level Agreement for the IANA Numbering Services) that clearly define the services provided by ICANN to community as well as the service level target for each service. In this context:*
*a) ICANN should work with the community to identify and prioritize the classes of services for which service level targets and guidelines will be implemented, and to define how service level targets and guidelines will be defined.*
*b) Develop clear and reasonable guidelines for expected behavior between ICANN organization and the community for those newly-identified activities. *
*c) Develop and publish the resulting service levels, targets and guidelines in a single area on icann.org <http://icann.org/>. These targets and guidelines should also inform any regular information acquisition mechanism described in recommendation 2 of this report.*
*The structure and specific timing of this effort should be determined by ICANN organization (but be substantially under way before the end of 2018). We suggest that representatives of ICANN's executive team, the ICANN Board, and SO/AC Leadership participate in this effort to ensure a constructive dialogue across all parts of the ICANN community. This work should be, and be seen as, a genuine chance for collaboration and improved relationships between the Board, organization and community. *
-- Jordan Carter
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Sent on the run, apologies for brevity
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Hi Bernard - Could you please confirm receipt of my email sent yesterday (see attached)? For some reason, it's not shown in the email archives http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ws2-staff_acct/2018-February/date.html#start. Hi All - With regard to the proposed meeting Tuesday February 20 1900 UTC, I can attend, if needed, to make 5. I am on leave for a week from today (the Chinese New Year). It's the Year of the Dog. Wishing you all a happy and prosperous year ahead. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------Sender:Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>Sent at:2018 Feb 15 (Thu) 11:02To:ws2-staff_acct <ws2-staff_acct@icann.org>Subject:[Ws2-staff_acct] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-StaffAcct - Next meeting and next steps All, Given the positive comments with respect to the latest draft of the recommendations we are proposing the following way forward: We are proposing a meeting of the Staff Acct sub-group Tuesday February 20 1900 UTC to finalize the latest version of the recommendations.As per the current procedure we will require 5 confirmation of attendance to confirm the meeting 36 hours prior to the proposed meeting time.Please reply to this email or to the list to confirm you participation by Monday 19 February 0700 UTC. If we do not obtain 5 confirmations the meeting will be cancelled.If we are obliged to cancel the Tuesday 20 February 1900 UTC meeting we will consider that the latest draft of the recommendations as final and these will be forwarded to the plenary 21 February for a reading at its Wednesday 28 February 1900 UTC meeting.Thank You. Bernard TurcotteICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2 for Jordan. On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz> wrote: Thanks Cheryl, Klaus! Pam, others? Jordan On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 3:14 AM, Klaus Stoll <kdrstoll@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Jordan Greeting. Keeping things short and sweet: I support the changes to Recommendation 3. Yours Klaus On 2/12/2018 11:34 PM, Jordan Carter wrote: Hi all Thanks to Pam and to others for comments and discussion of the proposed updated recommendations. I've had a call with ICANN staff and with Avri as the former rapporteur, and I've carefully considered the on list traffic. I'm proposing a different approach that works service levels back in, closer to our original recommendations. You can find that in the re-revised Recommendation 3. This approach may result in ICANN org or board pushback, but I think it responds to their key concern about scope of the work on service levels while providing a way to make that work, and inviting the organisation to commit to service level targets and guidelines that are meaningful for the community. PDFs with track changes and clean are attached. I would be grateful if you could share comments about this asap, as we will need to take it through the plenary for approval as a first reading on 21 Feb. That means in theory 14 Feb is our deadline to send the document around. Could I ask for comments within the next 24hrs from send time for this message? I paste the revised proposed language below too for your reference. Thanks in advance, Jordan 3. ICANN Organization should work with the community to develop and publish service level targets and guidelines (similar to the Service Level Agreement for the IANA Numbering Services) that clearly define the services provided by ICANN to community as well as the service level target for each service. In this context: a) ICANN should work with the community to identify and prioritize the classes of services for which service level targets and guidelines will be implemented, and to define how service level targets and guidelines will be defined. b) Develop clear and reasonable guidelines for expected behavior between ICANN organization and the community for those newly-identified activities. c) Develop and publish the resulting service levels, targets and guidelines in a single area on icann.org. These targets and guidelines should also inform any regular information acquisition mechanism described in recommendation 2 of this report. The structure and specific timing of this effort should be determined by ICANN organization (but be substantially under way before the end of 2018). We suggest that representatives of ICANN's executive team, the ICANN Board, and SO/AC Leadership participate in this effort to ensure a constructive dialogue across all parts of the ICANN community. This work should be, and be seen as, a genuine chance for collaboration and improved relationships between the Board, organization and community. -- Jordan Carter _______________________________________________ Ws2-staff_acct mailing list Ws2-staff_acct@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-staff_acct -- Jordan Carter Group Chief Executive, InternetNZ +64-21-442-649 Sent on the run, apologies for brevity _______________________________________________ Ws2-staff_acct mailing list Ws2-staff_acct@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-staff_acct
Pam, I did not see your response on the list yesterday but this one has been distributed by the list. Cheers B. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> wrote:
Hi Bernard - Could you please confirm receipt of my email sent yesterday (see attached)? For some reason, it's not shown in the email archives http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ws2-staff_acct/2018-February/date.html #start.
Hi All - With regard to the proposed meeting Tuesday February 20 1900 UTC, I can attend, if needed, to make 5. I am on leave for a week from today (the Chinese New Year). It's the Year of the Dog. Wishing you all a happy and prosperous year ahead.
Kind regards,
Pam
------------------------------------------------------------------ Sender:Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> Sent at:2018 Feb 15 (Thu) 11:02 To:ws2-staff_acct <ws2-staff_acct@icann.org> Subject:[Ws2-staff_acct] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-StaffAcct - Next meeting and next steps
All,
Given the positive comments with respect to the latest draft of the recommendations we are proposing the following way forward:
- We are proposing a meeting of the Staff Acct sub-group Tuesday February 20 1900 UTC to finalize the latest version of the recommendations. - As per the current procedure we will require 5 confirmation of attendance to confirm the meeting 36 hours prior to the proposed meeting time. - Please reply to this email or to the list to confirm you participation by Monday 19 February 0700 UTC. If we do not obtain 5 confirmations the meeting will be cancelled. - If we are obliged to cancel the Tuesday 20 February 1900 UTC meeting we will consider that the latest draft of the recommendations as final and these will be forwarded to the plenary 21 February for a reading at its Wednesday 28 February 1900 UTC meeting.
Thank You.
Bernard Turcotte ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2
for Jordan.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz> wrote: Thanks Cheryl, Klaus!
Pam, others?
Jordan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 3:14 AM, Klaus Stoll <kdrstoll@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jordan
Greeting. Keeping things short and sweet: I support the changes to Recommendation 3.
Yours
Klaus
On 2/12/2018 11:34 PM, Jordan Carter wrote: Hi all
Thanks to Pam and to others for comments and discussion of the proposed updated recommendations.
I've had a call with ICANN staff and with Avri as the former rapporteur, and I've carefully considered the on list traffic.
I'm proposing a different approach that works service levels back in, closer to our original recommendations. You can find that in the re-revised Recommendation 3.
This approach may result in ICANN org or board pushback, but I think it responds to their key concern about scope of the work on service levels while providing a way to make that work, and inviting the organisation to commit to service level targets and guidelines that are meaningful for the community.
PDFs with track changes and clean are attached.
*I would be grateful if you could share comments about this asap, as we will need to take it through the plenary for approval as a first reading on 21 Feb. *That means in theory 14 Feb is our deadline to send the document around.
*Could I ask for comments within the next 24hrs from send time for this message?*
I paste the revised proposed language below too for your reference.
Thanks in advance, Jordan
*3. ICANN Organization should work with the community to develop and publish service level targets and guidelines (similar to the Service Level Agreement for the IANA Numbering Services) that clearly define the services provided by ICANN to community as well as the service level target for each service. In this context:*
*a) ICANN should work with the community to identify and prioritize the classes of services for which service level targets and guidelines will be implemented, and to define how service level targets and guidelines will be defined.*
*b) Develop clear and reasonable guidelines for expected behavior between ICANN organization and the community for those newly-identified activities. *
*c) Develop and publish the resulting service levels, targets and guidelines in a single area on icann.org <http://icann.org/>. These targets and guidelines should also inform any regular information acquisition mechanism described in recommendation 2 of this report.*
*The structure and specific timing of this effort should be determined by ICANN organization (but be substantially under way before the end of 2018). We suggest that representatives of ICANN's executive team, the ICANN Board, and SO/AC Leadership participate in this effort to ensure a constructive dialogue across all parts of the ICANN community. This work should be, and be seen as, a genuine chance for collaboration and improved relationships between the Board, organization and community. *
-- Jordan Carter
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-- Jordan Carter Group Chief Executive, InternetNZ +64-21-442-649 <+64%2021%20442%20649>
Sent on the run, apologies for brevity
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hi all, hi Pam I didn't see the note you attach either, thanks for sharing it. I regard it as implicit in any SLA that there will be consequences for not meeting the targets. The point of the language you quote can indeed be clearer - the idea is to drive the generation of the substance (SLA targets and guidelines) and of a methodology for defining and agreeing them. It might be simplest to change the last sentence a bit so it says something like the following: *a) ICANN should work with the community to identify and prioritize the classes of services for which service level targets and guidelines will be implemented, and to AGREE A PROCESS FOR how service level targets and guidelines will be defined.* cheers Jordan On 15 February 2018 at 13:57, Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com> wrote:
Hi Bernard - Could you please confirm receipt of my email sent yesterday (see attached)? For some reason, it's not shown in the email archives http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ws2-staff_acct/2018-February/date.html #start.
Hi All - With regard to the proposed meeting Tuesday February 20 1900 UTC, I can attend, if needed, to make 5. I am on leave for a week from today (the Chinese New Year). It's the Year of the Dog. Wishing you all a happy and prosperous year ahead.
Kind regards,
Pam
------------------------------------------------------------------ Sender:Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> Sent at:2018 Feb 15 (Thu) 11:02 To:ws2-staff_acct <ws2-staff_acct@icann.org> Subject:[Ws2-staff_acct] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-StaffAcct - Next meeting and next steps
All,
Given the positive comments with respect to the latest draft of the recommendations we are proposing the following way forward:
- We are proposing a meeting of the Staff Acct sub-group Tuesday February 20 1900 UTC to finalize the latest version of the recommendations. - As per the current procedure we will require 5 confirmation of attendance to confirm the meeting 36 hours prior to the proposed meeting time. - Please reply to this email or to the list to confirm you participation by Monday 19 February 0700 UTC. If we do not obtain 5 confirmations the meeting will be cancelled. - If we are obliged to cancel the Tuesday 20 February 1900 UTC meeting we will consider that the latest draft of the recommendations as final and these will be forwarded to the plenary 21 February for a reading at its Wednesday 28 February 1900 UTC meeting.
Thank You.
Bernard Turcotte ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2
for Jordan.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz> wrote: Thanks Cheryl, Klaus!
Pam, others?
Jordan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 3:14 AM, Klaus Stoll <kdrstoll@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jordan
Greeting. Keeping things short and sweet: I support the changes to Recommendation 3.
Yours
Klaus
On 2/12/2018 11:34 PM, Jordan Carter wrote: Hi all
Thanks to Pam and to others for comments and discussion of the proposed updated recommendations.
I've had a call with ICANN staff and with Avri as the former rapporteur, and I've carefully considered the on list traffic.
I'm proposing a different approach that works service levels back in, closer to our original recommendations. You can find that in the re-revised Recommendation 3.
This approach may result in ICANN org or board pushback, but I think it responds to their key concern about scope of the work on service levels while providing a way to make that work, and inviting the organisation to commit to service level targets and guidelines that are meaningful for the community.
PDFs with track changes and clean are attached.
*I would be grateful if you could share comments about this asap, as we will need to take it through the plenary for approval as a first reading on 21 Feb. *That means in theory 14 Feb is our deadline to send the document around.
*Could I ask for comments within the next 24hrs from send time for this message?*
I paste the revised proposed language below too for your reference.
Thanks in advance, Jordan
*3. ICANN Organization should work with the community to develop and publish service level targets and guidelines (similar to the Service Level Agreement for the IANA Numbering Services) that clearly define the services provided by ICANN to community as well as the service level target for each service. In this context:*
*a) ICANN should work with the community to identify and prioritize the classes of services for which service level targets and guidelines will be implemented, and to define how service level targets and guidelines will be defined.*
*b) Develop clear and reasonable guidelines for expected behavior between ICANN organization and the community for those newly-identified activities. *
*c) Develop and publish the resulting service levels, targets and guidelines in a single area on icann.org <http://icann.org/>. These targets and guidelines should also inform any regular information acquisition mechanism described in recommendation 2 of this report.*
*The structure and specific timing of this effort should be determined by ICANN organization (but be substantially under way before the end of 2018). We suggest that representatives of ICANN's executive team, the ICANN Board, and SO/AC Leadership participate in this effort to ensure a constructive dialogue across all parts of the ICANN community. This work should be, and be seen as, a genuine chance for collaboration and improved relationships between the Board, organization and community. *
-- Jordan Carter
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-- Jordan Carter Group Chief Executive, InternetNZ +64-21-442-649 <+64%2021%20442%20649>
Sent on the run, apologies for brevity
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