From: Alejandro Pisanty via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org>
Date: Monday, 3 November 2025 at 16:38
To: Veni Markovski <veni.markovski@icann.org>
Cc: wsis20@icann.org <wsis20@icann.org>
Subject: [wsis20] Re: Stakeholder consultations at ICANN84 and next steps

Veni,

thanks! Those closer to the NRIs should act ASAP.

Re WTDC, as you say, it's not as effective but worth a try for those with access to their representatives. Also it is a tough forum for the Internet and multistakeholderism, historically, so good if people can approach the ISOC team there (I assume there is one, and remember they are given the worst seats i the room whil all the wheeling and dealing takes place elsewhere), and also ICANN if you have someone - do you?

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, Nov 3, 2025 at 1:22 PM Veni Markovski <veni.markovski@icann.org> wrote:

Тhanks, Alejandro and Olivier.

Further to what Angela has already shared already, I think that Alejandro’s idea to use the national and regional IGFs is a great one. See some comments below.

From: WSIS20 Outreach Network <wsis20@icann.org>
Reply-To: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2025 at 23:40
To: Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com>
Cc: WSIS20 Outreach Network <wsis20@icann.org>
Subject: [wsis20] Re: Stakeholder consultations at ICANN84 and next steps

Dear Olivier,

thanks for the summary and especially thanks for the heads-up. There is little time left and we must work hard and at speed. "issue-trading" is too close to "horse-trading" and that usually happens way above our heads, and behind doors only government representatives can cross. Also, we do know that there are many governments, and many individual representatives, whose positions are already adverse and will harden for something like the UN GA. Some are lost cases and probably trying to communicate with them will only harden their positions even further and do more damage than good. Each one of us knows of a few so we can triage relatively fast.

Let's use all possible fora left before the fateful dates. One forum for sure is LACIGF, coming this week November 5 and 6. It takes place in Cordoba, Argentina, and online. There may be other international meetings and some NRIs (National and Regional Internet Governance Forums) upcoming,

There’s the ITU WTDC this month in Baku, Azerbaijan. Many member states will be there, together with ITU-D sector members. Perhaps worth the effort for members of this list to reach out to their Telecom Administration, who will have representatives there. But one must keep in mind that participation at the WTDC is usually not from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who are the ones negotiating at the WSIS+20.

some ot them with a good chance of being powerful before their own governments and beyond borders. Let me propose the following action items:

Craft a briefing paper that highlights the important issues and the damage they can bring if done wrong;

I don’t know who could write a paper in such a short time, but there have been several documents, more or less explaining the rationale behind the positions that ICANN and other technical organizations have taken vis-à-vis WSIS+20. Hope the links Angela shared are helpful, and one could search ISOC, RIPE NCC, TCCM, and others, to find out their positions.

Best,

v/

P.S. Olivier, if the experience from WSIS+10 is worth something, then I can share that the final document was agreed about 48 hours before the high-level meeting started. Let’s see what happens this year.

2. Caucus among the participants in LACIGF and other upcoming venues and plan a solid intervention. Since in LACIGF and likely any other meeting in the coming few weeks the programs are already solidified, let's

a. talk to all scheduled participants and see that they convey the messages in their interventions and other discussions;

b. take the microphone (and written participations as well) in all possible relevant panels and discussions.

I* staff - can you come up with a list/schedule of events, from your own files and plans, and share it? can you share the briefing texts you have already written and maybe fine-tuned for the alarm Olivier is sounding?

Let's meet in small groups and push this work forward.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 6:11 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

those of you attending ICANN84 will have been aware of the stakeholder consultations that His Excellency Ambassador Ekitela Lokaale (Kenya) held throughout the week, both in open, large assemblies and in small groups.
Ambassador Lokaale is one of the two Co-Facilitators of the WSIS+20 review process, the other being Her Excellency Suela Janina (Albania), who was not present in Dublin.

I was very pleased with the extent to which Ambassador Lokaale was open to full dialogue and to listening to all parts of ICANN's community. It was also very interesting to obtain some feedback as to what topics to be included in the Paper will have a chance to remain there and what topics are already flagged as receiving significant opposition by some member States.

Of course, the next big steps will be the virtual stakeholder consultations to be held on 14 November. Instructions on how to participate are given on: https://publicadministration.desa.un.org/wsis20 [publicadministration.desa.un.org] and https://publicadministration.desa.un.org/wsis20/rev1consultation [publicadministration.desa.un.org]

But then, the final meeting in the process will be that of the UN High Level Event on 16 and 17 December 2025: https://publicadministration.desa.un.org/wsis20/GA%20High-Level-Meeting [publicadministration.desa.un.org]

And this is where one particularly concerning bit of information troubled me: that there might be some "issue trading" at this high level, with issues that are not related in any way with the WSIS+20 process, traded for geopolitical reasons. And therefore, I heard that we, in our communities, should make sure that our countries' respective Ambassadors and Delegations at the UNGA be fully briefed about the importance of the WSIS+20 process, of our multistakeholder values, of the importance of the WSIS principles to the Internet and its repercussions beyond the Internet.

This is a job for each and everyone of us, with our respective national delegations.

Kindest regards,

Olivier Crépin-Leblond

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Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
Facultad de Química UNAM
Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
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