As one of the members of the data governance working group there’s no doubt in my mind that we will be discussing these subjects. My hope is that the WSIS review will avoid data governance subjects and leave it to the working group to do its work and provide an interim report to UNGA 81 as ordered by the GDC.

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From: Jimson Olufuye, PhD. via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2025 at 5:55 PM
To: Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com>
Cc: wsis20@icann.org <wsis20@icann.org>, wg-strategy@intgovforum.org <wg-strategy@intgovforum.org>, Anthony, Susan <Susan.Anthony@uspto.gov>
Subject: [wsis20] Re: Informal Multistakeholder Sounding Board (IMSB) Reflections on the WSIS+20 Elements Paper

Thanks, Anne.

The attachment is quite informative.

As you know, the issue of addressing AI's use of copyrighted or
Intellectual Property materials is still under discussion. Perhaps the
ongoing CSTD WG on Data Governance may address it. But one thing is
clear, there can be no data sovereignty without a sovereign law guiding
the use of your citizens' data.

Whether your sacred data should be available to AI is a decision with
futuristic implications. If it is not available, the risk of its
misrepresentation is there, and it may be too late to act later. These
issues require that all who are concerned should work together to plan
with visionary foresight.

Cheers,

JO

On 2025-08-05 01:52, Anne ICANN wrote:
> Hi Jimson,
> Thank you for your interest.  For anyone else on IMSB or this list
> interested in one view of AI from an indigenous standpoint, please see
> the attached article from the current issue of Arizona Attorney
> magazine.    Comments are primarily from the Navajo (a/ka/ Dine -
> pronounced dee-nay) and Hopi experiences.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Aikman-ScaleseGNSO Councilor
> NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
> anneicanngnso@gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 1:33 PM Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jimson.  Yes, there are some limitations, but the basic
>> principle is as explained in the text below from the Bureau of
>> Indian Affairs.  Thus, their "nationhood status" cannot be said to
>> be "sub-national" in the U.S.  We realize this may not be the case
>> in other countries.  I'm sure the UN's Special Rapporteur on
>> Indigenous Peoples has a great deal more information.
>>
>> Though I represented federally-registered tribes in the US for over
>> ten years when still practicing law, I am not an expert.  We would
>> of course need to recruit indigenous representatives to participate
>> and we are working on that.  (For clarity, I retired from the
>> practice of law in 2023 and have no financial interest behind my
>> comments.)
>>
>> "WHAT IS THE LEGAL STATUS OF AMERICAN INDIAN AND ALASKA NATIVE
>> TRIBES?
>>
>> "Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution vests
>> Congress, and by extension the Executive and Judicial branches of
>> our government, with the authority to engage in relations with the
>> tribes, thereby firmly placing tribes within the constitutional
>> fabric of our nation. When the governmental authority of tribes was
>> first challenged in the 1830's, U. S. Supreme Court Chief Justice
>> John Marshall articulated the fundamental principle that has guidPed
>> the evolution of federal Indian law to the present: _That tribes
>> possess a nationhood status and retain inherent powers of
>> self-government." (emphasis added)_
>>
>> Please advise if you have any ideas for inclusion moving forward as
>> I know you are on the IMSB!  (congrats!)Anne
>>
>> Anne Aikman-ScaleseGNSO Councilor
>> NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
>> anneicanngnso@gmail.com
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 11:16 AM Jimson Olufuye, PhD.
>> <jolufuye@kontemporary.net.ng> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ann,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>
>>> For clarity, do you mean, for example, that the indigenous people
>>> make
>>> decisions for their defence, foreign affairs, and currency, among
>>> others? Does the sovereignty recognition imply that they operate
>>> independently of the country within which they're recognised?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jimson
>>>
>>> Member of the IMSB
>>>
>>> On 2025-07-28 03:22, Anne ICANN via wsis20 wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Jen, to you and the IMSB, for circulating this prior to
>>> the
>>>> July 29 session.  This is quite comprehensive.  We appreciate
>>> all the
>>>> effort!
>>>>
>>>> Just one note with respect to Item 4 of the document in relation
>>> to
>>>> "engagement at the sub-national level"  which mentions
>>> indigenous
>>>> communities.  In the U.S. at least, numerous Indigenous Peoples
>>> cannot
>>>> be characterized as "sub-national" or "local" in nature.  They
>>> are
>>>> recognized by our Supreme Court opinions and the Bureau of
>>> Indian
>>>> Affairs as self-governing sovereign nations.  (I understand the
>>> UN may
>>>> take a different, more generalized approach.)
>>>>
>>>> I have provided written comment to the Co-Facilitators on the
>>> Elements
>>>> Paper regarding the need to prioritize full participation by
>>>> Indigenous Peoples in the WSIS+20 process as set forth in the UN
>>>> Resolution on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Paragraph 46
>>> (pasted
>>>> below again for convenience.)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again to the IMSB for all the hard work.  Looking forward
>>> to
>>>> the session on Tuesday!
>>>> Anne
>>>>
>>>> FROM THE UN RESOLUTION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES:
>>>> 46. Recalls the report of the Secretary-General on enhancing the
>>>> participation of Indigenous Peoples’ representatives and
>>>> institutions in meetings of relevant United Nations bodies on
>>> issues
>>>> affecting them and recalls with appreciation the work led by the
>>>> Presidents of the General Assembly at its seventieth to
>>> seventy-fifth
>>>> sessions in conducting consultations with Member States,
>>> Indigenous
>>>> Peoples’ representatives and institutions from all regions of
>>> the
>>>> world and existing mechanisms of the United Nations on possible
>>>> measures to enable the participation of Indigenous Peoples’
>>>> representatives and institutions in meetings of relevant United
>>>> Nations bodies on issues affecting them, which led to the
>>> adoption of
>>>> Assembly resolution 71/321, taking into account the achievements
>>> in
>>>> that regard of other bodies and organizations throughout the
>>> United
>>>> Nations system, to be preceded by consultations with Indigenous
>>>> Peoples’ representatives and institutions from all regions of
>>> the
>>>> world as an input to the intergovernmental process;
>>>>
>>>> Anne Aikman-ScaleseGNSO Councilor
>>>> NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2026
>>>> anneicanngnso@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2025 at 4:12 PM jen--- via wsis20
>>> <wsis20@icann.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am pleased to share this submission by the Informal
>>>>> Multistakeholder Sounding Board (IMSB).
>>>>>
>>>>> It is intended to highlight what we have understood to be the
>>>>> priorities, issues, concerns, and suggestions of a broad range
>>> of
>>>>> non-governmental stakeholders in discussions and publications
>>> over
>>>>> the past months. It is not intended to be comprehensive, nor
>>> does it
>>>>> attempt to reconcile conflicting points where we have felt that
>>>>> those positions merit further consideration. Nor is it intended
>>> to
>>>>> replace respective stakeholder submissions on the Elements
>>> Paper,
>>>>> and we take this opportunity to recognize the many thoughtful,
>>>>> multistakeholder discussions that have taken place in recent
>>> months.
>>>>> We have endeavoured in this submission to highlight concrete
>>>>> proposals and ideas to facilitate the next step of the WSIS+20
>>>>> review process, namely the development of a Zero Draft of the
>>> UNGA
>>>>> WSIS+20 Outcome Document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jen on behalf of the
>>>>> IMSB_______________________________________________
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