NETmundial draft outcomes doc published
Dear all The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published: https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel... The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews. The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after. Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday! Jordan Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director .au Domain Administration +61-417-243-647
Pablo's points are well noted and supported by me at least... Remember those of us attending remotely while you beaver away in NM (perhaps a Skype or WhatsApp or Slack backchannel might be useful; We still have a NetThing/auIGF SLACK) CLO <https://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_me...> Cheryl Langdon-Orr about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr <https://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_me...> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 08:14, Pablo Hinojosa <pablo@apnic.net> wrote:
Quick reactions to the draft.
I like very much the advisory opportunity of some stakeholders: there are "interested parties" and there are "expert parties" in the MS model. It is an area of further exploration and improvement. 👇
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IGF needs more resources to deliver on this need. But the idea is right and just. 👇
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An important area of improvement is conflict resolution. There is much work and innovation that we can produce on this subject, that is why I chose conflict resolution as a top priority for future IG success in my response to the NM+10 consultation. 👇
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Thank you Jordan! It is a good draft.
Pablo
------------------------------ *From:* wsis20 <wsis20-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2024 8:11:04 am *To:* ICANN wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> *Subject:* [wsis20] NETmundial draft outcomes doc published
Dear all
The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published:
https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel... <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnetmundial...>
The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews.
The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after.
Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday!
Jordan
Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director
.au Domain Administration +61-417-243-647
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I would say that the draft has been successful to some degree in validating why Netmundial+10 taking place is helpful, as it shows a snapshot of where we are 2024. The subject of the "stakeholder" in general comes up often and under many lights, and that seems appropriate given the challenges we currently face, that go beyond inclusion and rather should focus on how interaction takes place after said inclusion. Stakeholder collaboration and enforcement of civility seem to be worsening, rather than improving, and it is a subject we will need to tackle if we want this model to continue existing. Best, --- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer ________________________________ From: Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 19:10 To: ICANN wsis20 Subject: [wsis20] NETmundial draft outcomes doc published Dear all The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published: https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel... The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews. The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after. Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday! Jordan Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director .au Domain Administration +61-417-243-647
Dear all, I wanted to circulate with the group a brief report published today by the DNS Research Federation with a detailed analysis of the NetMundial consultation responses: https://dnsrf.org/blog/netmundial-10--analysis-of-the-consultation-responses... . We believe this can be a useful resource as we work on reviewing and preparing our feedback to the first draft of the NetMundial outcome document. I look forward to seeing many of you in Sao Paulo next week. Warm regards, Carolina On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 10:19, Mark W. Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
I would say that the draft has been successful to some degree in validating why Netmundial+10 taking place is helpful, as it shows a snapshot of where we are 2024.
The subject of the "stakeholder" in general comes up often and under many lights, and that seems appropriate given the challenges we currently face, that go beyond inclusion and rather should focus on how interaction takes place after said inclusion.
Stakeholder collaboration and enforcement of civility seem to be worsening, rather than improving, and it is a subject we will need to tackle if we want this model to continue existing.
Best, --- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer
------------------------------ *From:* Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2024 19:10 *To:* ICANN wsis20 *Subject:* [wsis20] NETmundial draft outcomes doc published
Dear all
The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published:
https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel...
The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews.
The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after.
Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday!
Jordan
Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director
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Thank you for the timely report, Carolina. The quality is outstanding as usual and helps clarify the road ahead. The disagreement I have with the publication relates to: "/Unlike other digital governance consultation processes, most submissions to NetMundial came from the Global South (65.56%), and only 34,44% from the Global North. That alone feels like a breath of fresh air. (...) North America was largely absent with no submissions (other than from the US-based Electronic Frontier Foundation which self-identified as global)./" This to me shows that we have not engaged enough with the North American region to persuade them of the importance of the event, and will need to retroactively convince them of the worth of the outcomes we arrive at after the event. This points to the need of subsequent efforts in North America from those that are signatories of the final document. Something to keep in mind. Best, On 26 Apr 2024 16:38, Carolina Caeiro wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to circulate with the group a brief report published today by the DNS Research Federation with a detailed analysis of the NetMundial consultation responses: https://dnsrf.org/blog/netmundial-10--analysis-of-the-consultation-responses....
We believe this can be a useful resource as we work on reviewing and preparing our feedback to the first draft of the NetMundial outcome document.
I look forward to seeing many of you in Sao Paulo next week.
Warm regards,
Carolina
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 10:19, Mark W. Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
I would say that the draft has been successful to some degree in validating why Netmundial+10 taking place is helpful, as it shows a snapshot of where we are 2024.
The subject of the "stakeholder" in general comes up often and under many lights, and that seems appropriate given the challenges we currently face, that go beyond inclusion and rather should focus on how interaction takes place after said inclusion.
Stakeholder collaboration and enforcement of civility seem to be worsening, rather than improving, and it is a subject we will need to tackle if we want this model to continue existing.
Best, --- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2024 19:10 *To:* ICANN wsis20 *Subject:* [wsis20] NETmundial draft outcomes doc published
Dear all
The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published:
https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel...
The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews.
The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after.
Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday!
Jordan
Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director
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Hi I’ve been distracted by local events and unable to follow this discussion or read Carolina’s piece, so I may be misunderstanding something. Are we talking about who replied to that odd questionnaire? If so, I don’t know what "North America was largely absent with no submissions” could mean. In a quick scan now I'm looking at about a dozen responses from people I know to be in NA, including my own. There may be more, I didn’t click View on all the names. https://netmundial.br/consultation/contributions FWIW I don’t think NA Internet governance people as a class need persuasion about the importance of multistakeholder cooperation, and certainly didn’t need persuasion that NM 2014 was important. But the way this particular event was organized didn’t really promote engagement. I would suggest caution in drawing big conclusions from that questionnaire. Frankly, some people I know didn’t understand it was the consultation, the only input opportunity, and hence didn’t bother with it. Bill
On Apr 26, 2024, at 9:17 PM, Mark Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
Thank you for the timely report, Carolina. The quality is outstanding as usual and helps clarify the road ahead.
The disagreement I have with the publication relates to: "Unlike other digital governance consultation processes, most submissions to NetMundial came from the Global South (65.56%), and only 34,44% from the Global North. That alone feels like a breath of fresh air. (...) North America was largely absent with no submissions (other than from the US-based Electronic Frontier Foundation which self-identified as global)."
This to me shows that we have not engaged enough with the North American region to persuade them of the importance of the event, and will need to retroactively convince them of the worth of the outcomes we arrive at after the event. This points to the need of subsequent efforts in North America from those that are signatories of the final document.
Something to keep in mind.
Best,
On 26 Apr 2024 16:38, Carolina Caeiro wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to circulate with the group a brief report published today by the DNS Research Federation with a detailed analysis of the NetMundial consultation responses: https://dnsrf.org/blog/netmundial-10--analysis-of-the-consultation-responses....
We believe this can be a useful resource as we work on reviewing and preparing our feedback to the first draft of the NetMundial outcome document.
I look forward to seeing many of you in Sao Paulo next week.
Warm regards,
Carolina
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 10:19, Mark W. Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com <mailto:mark@governanceprimer.com>> wrote:
I would say that the draft has been successful to some degree in validating why Netmundial+10 taking place is helpful, as it shows a snapshot of where we are 2024.
The subject of the "stakeholder" in general comes up often and under many lights, and that seems appropriate given the challenges we currently face, that go beyond inclusion and rather should focus on how interaction takes place after said inclusion.
Stakeholder collaboration and enforcement of civility seem to be worsening, rather than improving, and it is a subject we will need to tackle if we want this model to continue existing.
Best, --- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer
From: Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org <mailto:wsis20@icann.org>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 19:10 To: ICANN wsis20 Subject: [wsis20] NETmundial draft outcomes doc published
Dear all
The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published:
https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel...
The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews.
The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after.
Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday!
Jordan
Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director
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Bill, Mark, Thank you both for your emails. I checked with our technical expert that led the data analysis. He confirmed that Europe and North America were tallied together using the IGF nomenclature as WEOG (Western Europe and Others) and that there were indeed submissions from the US. The text will be updated as follows: *Latin America and the Caribbean –the host continent– led in submissions (48.05%), followed by Western Europe and Others (32.46%) –this includes 14 submissions for the US and 1 for Canada–, Africa (9,09%) and Asia Pacific (7,14%).* *Note by Author. An earlier version of the article erroneously stated there were no submissions from North America. We thank Mark Dattysgeld and William Drake for helping us spot this error.* Thank you for helping spot this point! Carolina On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 at 14:44, William Drake <williamdrake.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
I’ve been distracted by local events and unable to follow this discussion or read Carolina’s piece, so I may be misunderstanding something. Are we talking about who replied to that odd questionnaire? If so, I don’t know what "North America was largely absent with no submissions” could mean. In a quick scan now I'm looking at about a dozen responses from people I know to be in NA, including my own. There may be more, I didn’t click View on all the names. https://netmundial.br/consultation/contributions
FWIW I don’t think NA Internet governance people as a class need persuasion about the importance of multistakeholder cooperation, and certainly didn’t need persuasion that NM 2014 was important. But the way this particular event was organized didn’t really promote engagement.
I would suggest caution in drawing big conclusions from that questionnaire. Frankly, some people I know didn’t understand it *was* the consultation, the only input opportunity, and hence didn’t bother with it.
Bill
On Apr 26, 2024, at 9:17 PM, Mark Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
Thank you for the timely report, Carolina. The quality is outstanding as usual and helps clarify the road ahead.
The disagreement I have with the publication relates to: "*Unlike other digital governance consultation processes, most submissions to NetMundial came from the Global South (65.56%), and only 34,44% from the Global North. That alone feels like a breath of fresh air. (...) North America was largely absent with no submissions (other than from the US-based Electronic Frontier Foundation which self-identified as global).*"
This to me shows that we have not engaged enough with the North American region to persuade them of the importance of the event, and will need to retroactively convince them of the worth of the outcomes we arrive at after the event. This points to the need of subsequent efforts in North America from those that are signatories of the final document.
Something to keep in mind.
Best, On 26 Apr 2024 16:38, Carolina Caeiro wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to circulate with the group a brief report published today by the DNS Research Federation with a detailed analysis of the NetMundial consultation responses: https://dnsrf.org/blog/netmundial-10--analysis-of-the-consultation-responses... .
We believe this can be a useful resource as we work on reviewing and preparing our feedback to the first draft of the NetMundial outcome document.
I look forward to seeing many of you in Sao Paulo next week.
Warm regards,
Carolina
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 10:19, Mark W. Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
I would say that the draft has been successful to some degree in validating why Netmundial+10 taking place is helpful, as it shows a snapshot of where we are 2024.
The subject of the "stakeholder" in general comes up often and under many lights, and that seems appropriate given the challenges we currently face, that go beyond inclusion and rather should focus on how interaction takes place after said inclusion.
Stakeholder collaboration and enforcement of civility seem to be worsening, rather than improving, and it is a subject we will need to tackle if we want this model to continue existing.
Best, --- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer
------------------------------ *From:* Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2024 19:10 *To:* ICANN wsis20 *Subject:* [wsis20] NETmundial draft outcomes doc published
Dear all
The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published:
https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel...
The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews.
The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after.
Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday!
Jordan
Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director
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-- Carolina Caeiro
Senior Internet Policy and Governance Specialist
*Oxford Information Labs* 1st Floor, Peterley House, Peterley Rd, Oxford OX4 2TZ E: carolina.caeiro@oxil.co.uk | M: +447951980626
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Hi UN nomenclature is a gift that keeps on giving. :-) Bill
On Apr 28, 2024, at 5:03 AM, Carolina Caeiro <carolina.caeiro@oxil.co.uk> wrote:
Bill, Mark,
Thank you both for your emails. I checked with our technical expert that led the data analysis. He confirmed that Europe and North America were tallied together using the IGF nomenclature as WEOG (Western Europe and Others) and that there were indeed submissions from the US.
The text will be updated as follows:
Latin America and the Caribbean –the host continent– led in submissions (48.05%), followed by Western Europe and Others (32.46%) –this includes 14 submissions for the US and 1 for Canada–, Africa (9,09%) and Asia Pacific (7,14%).
Note by Author. An earlier version of the article erroneously stated there were no submissions from North America. We thank Mark Dattysgeld and William Drake for helping us spot this error.
Thank you for helping spot this point!
Carolina
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 at 14:44, William Drake <williamdrake.lists@gmail.com <mailto:williamdrake.lists@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi
I’ve been distracted by local events and unable to follow this discussion or read Carolina’s piece, so I may be misunderstanding something. Are we talking about who replied to that odd questionnaire? If so, I don’t know what "North America was largely absent with no submissions” could mean. In a quick scan now I'm looking at about a dozen responses from people I know to be in NA, including my own. There may be more, I didn’t click View on all the names. https://netmundial.br/consultation/contributions
FWIW I don’t think NA Internet governance people as a class need persuasion about the importance of multistakeholder cooperation, and certainly didn’t need persuasion that NM 2014 was important. But the way this particular event was organized didn’t really promote engagement.
I would suggest caution in drawing big conclusions from that questionnaire. Frankly, some people I know didn’t understand it was the consultation, the only input opportunity, and hence didn’t bother with it.
Bill
On Apr 26, 2024, at 9:17 PM, Mark Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com <mailto:mark@governanceprimer.com>> wrote:
Thank you for the timely report, Carolina. The quality is outstanding as usual and helps clarify the road ahead.
The disagreement I have with the publication relates to: "Unlike other digital governance consultation processes, most submissions to NetMundial came from the Global South (65.56%), and only 34,44% from the Global North. That alone feels like a breath of fresh air. (...) North America was largely absent with no submissions (other than from the US-based Electronic Frontier Foundation which self-identified as global)."
This to me shows that we have not engaged enough with the North American region to persuade them of the importance of the event, and will need to retroactively convince them of the worth of the outcomes we arrive at after the event. This points to the need of subsequent efforts in North America from those that are signatories of the final document.
Something to keep in mind.
Best,
On 26 Apr 2024 16:38, Carolina Caeiro wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to circulate with the group a brief report published today by the DNS Research Federation with a detailed analysis of the NetMundial consultation responses: https://dnsrf.org/blog/netmundial-10--analysis-of-the-consultation-responses....
We believe this can be a useful resource as we work on reviewing and preparing our feedback to the first draft of the NetMundial outcome document.
I look forward to seeing many of you in Sao Paulo next week.
Warm regards,
Carolina
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 10:19, Mark W. Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com <mailto:mark@governanceprimer.com>> wrote:
I would say that the draft has been successful to some degree in validating why Netmundial+10 taking place is helpful, as it shows a snapshot of where we are 2024.
The subject of the "stakeholder" in general comes up often and under many lights, and that seems appropriate given the challenges we currently face, that go beyond inclusion and rather should focus on how interaction takes place after said inclusion.
Stakeholder collaboration and enforcement of civility seem to be worsening, rather than improving, and it is a subject we will need to tackle if we want this model to continue existing.
Best, --- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer
From: Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org <mailto:wsis20@icann.org>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 19:10 To: ICANN wsis20 Subject: [wsis20] NETmundial draft outcomes doc published
Dear all
The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published:
https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel...
The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews.
The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after.
Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday!
Jordan
Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director
.au Domain Administration +61-417-243-647 _______________________________________________ wsis20 mailing list wsis20@icann.org <mailto:wsis20@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wsis20
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Carolina, thanks for this clarification. Now regarding the "functional" classification, does it remain true, after your re-analysis, that governments, business, and the Internet technical community submitted much fewer replies to the questionnaire (not "consultation", please) than other stakeholder groups? Alejandro Pisanty On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 3:04 AM Carolina Caeiro <carolina.caeiro@oxil.co.uk> wrote:
Bill, Mark,
Thank you both for your emails. I checked with our technical expert that led the data analysis. He confirmed that Europe and North America were tallied together using the IGF nomenclature as WEOG (Western Europe and Others) and that there were indeed submissions from the US.
The text will be updated as follows:
*Latin America and the Caribbean –the host continent– led in submissions (48.05%), followed by Western Europe and Others (32.46%) –this includes 14 submissions for the US and 1 for Canada–, Africa (9,09%) and Asia Pacific (7,14%).*
*Note by Author. An earlier version of the article erroneously stated there were no submissions from North America. We thank Mark Dattysgeld and William Drake for helping us spot this error.*
Thank you for helping spot this point!
Carolina
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 at 14:44, William Drake <williamdrake.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
I’ve been distracted by local events and unable to follow this discussion or read Carolina’s piece, so I may be misunderstanding something. Are we talking about who replied to that odd questionnaire? If so, I don’t know what "North America was largely absent with no submissions” could mean. In a quick scan now I'm looking at about a dozen responses from people I know to be in NA, including my own. There may be more, I didn’t click View on all the names. https://netmundial.br/consultation/contributions
FWIW I don’t think NA Internet governance people as a class need persuasion about the importance of multistakeholder cooperation, and certainly didn’t need persuasion that NM 2014 was important. But the way this particular event was organized didn’t really promote engagement.
I would suggest caution in drawing big conclusions from that questionnaire. Frankly, some people I know didn’t understand it *was* the consultation, the only input opportunity, and hence didn’t bother with it.
Bill
On Apr 26, 2024, at 9:17 PM, Mark Datysgeld <mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
Thank you for the timely report, Carolina. The quality is outstanding as usual and helps clarify the road ahead.
The disagreement I have with the publication relates to: "*Unlike other digital governance consultation processes, most submissions to NetMundial came from the Global South (65.56%), and only 34,44% from the Global North. That alone feels like a breath of fresh air. (...) North America was largely absent with no submissions (other than from the US-based Electronic Frontier Foundation which self-identified as global).*"
This to me shows that we have not engaged enough with the North American region to persuade them of the importance of the event, and will need to retroactively convince them of the worth of the outcomes we arrive at after the event. This points to the need of subsequent efforts in North America from those that are signatories of the final document.
Something to keep in mind.
Best, On 26 Apr 2024 16:38, Carolina Caeiro wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to circulate with the group a brief report published today by the DNS Research Federation with a detailed analysis of the NetMundial consultation responses: https://dnsrf.org/blog/netmundial-10--analysis-of-the-consultation-responses... .
We believe this can be a useful resource as we work on reviewing and preparing our feedback to the first draft of the NetMundial outcome document.
I look forward to seeing many of you in Sao Paulo next week.
Warm regards,
Carolina
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 10:19, Mark W. Datysgeld < mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
I would say that the draft has been successful to some degree in validating why Netmundial+10 taking place is helpful, as it shows a snapshot of where we are 2024.
The subject of the "stakeholder" in general comes up often and under many lights, and that seems appropriate given the challenges we currently face, that go beyond inclusion and rather should focus on how interaction takes place after said inclusion.
Stakeholder collaboration and enforcement of civility seem to be worsening, rather than improving, and it is a subject we will need to tackle if we want this model to continue existing.
Best, --- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer
------------------------------ *From:* Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2024 19:10 *To:* ICANN wsis20 *Subject:* [wsis20] NETmundial draft outcomes doc published
Dear all
The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published:
https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel...
The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews.
The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after.
Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday!
Jordan
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Thanks Jordan. Excellent reading. In the current environment, I think one of the 10 principles requiring more thought at ICANN is "Agility". Have a great meeting! Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2024 anneicanngnso@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 3:10 PM Jordan Carter via wsis20 <wsis20@icann.org> wrote:
Dear all
The preliminary outcomes document for NETmundial+10 has been published:
https://netmundial.br/blog/netmundial-10-publishes-the-outcome-document-prel...
The content is relevant to some of the discussions here and there is a specific part with draft messages for the WSIS+20 and GDC reviews.
The document will be worked on through the NM event and I guess finalised on Tuesday afternoon or shortly after.
Looking forward to seeing people at the event, next Monday and Tuesday!
Jordan
Jordan Carter Internet Governance and Policy Director
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