Sorry hit send early and autocorrected in my pocket.... I meant I'm ok with ICANN putting cards on the table. Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 8, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com> wrote:
Hi all,
If everyone recognizes the Jones Day submission as input/advocacy from an interested party and not legal advice to the CCWG, and that it carries no greater weight than our yet-to-be-received independent advice, I have no idea what with ICANN putting its cards on the table. I'm Despite the appearance of an attempt to influence the discussion through first-mover advantage, this could help us identify early conflicts of opinion and identify where we need to focus our energies.
That said, I'd really like to see ICANN demonstrate it is as concerned with helping the CCWG secure our independent legal resources "in the most efficient and cost-effective manner" as it was in sharing its own views and positions. I'm at a It appears there was more urgency for the latter. I'm Regards, Keith
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On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net> wrote:
One of the reasons many of us opposed inclusion of ICANN staff members as participants in the accountability and transition working groups, is that disagreement with staff positions could prove problematic for those opposing ICANN positions. As a sitting member of the GNSO Council, elected by my community, I would suggest Samantha that you, as an ICANN staff member, are not tasked with determining what is and is not an acceptable opinion or post on this list.
For the record, despite your assertion, I have not seen anyone declare the Jones Day opinion "incompetent". I certainly have not. I will, however, repeat my claim: it is a one sided document that uses legal opinion to support the known preferences of a interested party (ICANN). It is not a neutral opinion that we as community members can rely upon in making our decisions. I look forward to receiving one so I can discharge my responsibility in helping your employer, Samantha, meet it's obligations to the both community and to the N.T.I.A.
Edward Morris
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On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner@icann.org> wrote:
Kevin, a skilled attorney in California corporate structures as well as governance issues, provided these responses to the CCWG questions as a mode of giving input into the process. Kevin has just arrived here in Singapore and will be available to discuss these answers; if modifications or clarifications are needed, they can be provided. These responses, many of which provide a transparent view on advice or positions that ICANN has taken in the past on these issues, are being provided to help narrow and clarify the issues for which external advice may be sought. From the ICANN side, we are very interested in making sure that the CCWG gets the input that it needs and in the most efficient and cost-effective manner; ICANN’s transparency on this issue will allow for other counsel to be able to provide advice in a quicker, more timely manner.
As we go down the legal advice path, each of us are likely to see answers that we may not agree with; while we do not have to accept positions with which we take issue, we do need to afford the appropriate respect to those providing responses. Suggestions of “incompetence” are not acceptable.
On 2/8/15, 2:06 PM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1@toast.net> wrote:
I agree Becky. This work product is pure advocacy that ignores substantial portions of the statutes it claims to explain. It's actually quite remarkable in that way.
I only hope we are able to retain competent independent legal consultant to guide us in this work. I would classify the Jones Day document as no more than the representation of a policy position of an interested party drafted by an attorney , not as anything I'd consider valid legal advice.
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On Feb 8, 2015, at 5:03 AM, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr@neustar.biz> wrote:
The questions and answers are interesting as advocacy but cannot be considered legal advice for our work
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On Feb 8, 2015, at 12:19 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
Answering your questions:
Keith.- The questions were presented by the Co-Chairs at our Frankfut meeting as a high-level first approach to what we should be focusing on achieving. They were also discussed at the CCWG call of January 27. We then asked Staff to pass the questions through ICANN legal so they referred this questions to Jones Day. The document are the responses prepared by Kevin Espinola of Jones Day. The goal was to get a very rapid response on some basic questions the group wanted answers on.
Jordan.- I believe Adam has clarified where the questions came from and how they got into Jones Day for response which is in line with what I have replied to Keith.
Phil.- Nobody said this was the advice we are taking. Please see this document as one more input document tat will feed our work, just as the CWG legal document has fed it. This is NOT intended to be taken as the legal advice we¹re looking for although in the end it might (or might not) be compatible with what we need.
I hope this clarifies the doubts and concerns raised so far.
Best regards,
León
> El 08/02/2015, a las 12:05, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> > escribió: > > Phil, > > opinions of dependent lawyers are as interesting as the ones of > independent ones :-)-O > > el > >> On 2015-02-08 11:48 , Jordan Carter wrote: >> Phil, yes - the CCWG agreed with that in Frankfurt. It was felt it >> might >> be helpful to understand the view of the company and its >> representatives >> as well as an independent view, if I recall correctly. >> Jordan >> >> On 8 February 2015 at 11:36, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com >> <mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>> wrote: >> >> Jones Day cannot be regarded as an objective and neutral source of >> legal advice or opinions on anything related to ICANN. Indeed, any >> statement made by Jones Day must be regarded as the views of ICANN, >> its long-standing client. >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. >> >> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal >> Virtualaw LLC >> 1155 F Street, NW. Suite 1050 >> Washington, DC 20004 >> 202-559-8597/Direct >> 202-559-8750/Fax >> 202-255-6172/Cell >> Twitter: @VLawDC >> >> "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey >> *From: *Drazek, Keith >> *Sent: *Sunday, February 8, 2015 11:14 AM >> *To: *León Felipe Sánchez Ambía >> *Cc: *CCWG Accountability >> *Subject: *Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Responses to questions from Jones Day >> >> >> Leon, >> >> Do I understand you correctly that Jones Day developed both the >> questions and the answers? Did the CCWG request this? >> >> Thanks, >> Keith >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 8, 2015, at 10:18 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía >> <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Please find attached the responses from Jones Day for questions >>> prepared by Kevin Espinola. I would like to ask you to please >>> review the document so we can further discuss it in our session >>> tomorrow. >>> >>> I would also like to remind the group that this is a first step >>> which runs parallel to what the legal sub-team is doing in >>> coordination with the CWG “legal client”. The aim is to have this >>> responses reviewed by the legal sub-team as well as by the larger >>> CCWG so we can determine how to better validate this responses >>> with the external legal advisors when we engage with said external >>> advice. >>> >>> I look forward to a fruitful session with all of you. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> León >>> >>> >>> <Accountability Questions for CCWG - from Jones Day.pdf> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list >> Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org >> <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mail >> man_listinfo_accountability-2Dcross-2Dcommunity&d=AwIF-g&c=MOptNlVtIET >> eDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=qwBRSEcol5 >> r4bZKf-_y9unJDayHfowmd9pjeG40pqTY&s=WWqaMuLlBAG_Gr0RU6ekSk08rpZDmHGFN6 >> WV735dTxo&e= >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jordan Carter >> >> Chief Executive >> *InternetNZ* >> >> 04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob) >> jordan@internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz> >> Skype: jordancarter >> >> /To promote the Internet's benefits and uses, and protect its >> potential./ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list >> Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mail >> man_listinfo_accountability-2Dcross-2Dcommunity&d=AwIF-g&c=MOptNlVtIET >> eDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=qwBRSEcol5 >> r4bZKf-_y9unJDayHfowmd9pjeG40pqTY&s=WWqaMuLlBAG_Gr0RU6ekSk08rpZDmHGFN6 >> WV735dTxo&e= > _______________________________________________ > Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list > Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailm > an_listinfo_accountability-2Dcross-2Dcommunity&d=AwIF-g&c=MOptNlVtIETeD > ALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=qwBRSEcol5r4b > ZKf-_y9unJDayHfowmd9pjeG40pqTY&s=WWqaMuLlBAG_Gr0RU6ekSk08rpZDmHGFN6WV73 > 5dTxo&e=
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