Can someone explain to me how SO/ACs can become statutory members. My understanding is that SO/ACs have no legal personality -- they are, in effect, departments of the Corporation. So in order to have the ability for an SO (e.g. the ccNSO) to become a statutory member, it would require to come into existence with a separate legal personality, with it's own members. This is all fine, so far, and I would personally have no issue were, say the ccNSO to become a distinct body corporate. But many ccNSO members could be legally prevented from being members -- specifically those that are public authorities (i.e. government run). (I can't imagine the Government of North Korea would legally be able to sign up to the ICANN bylaws -- and such ccTLDs CANNOT be excluded from participation in ccNSO matters). On 09/07/15 13:34, Greg Shatan wrote:
Seun,
Can you point where this understanding and learning comes from? I don't think any of this is correct, unless you are referring to a "council" where each SO/AC is a statutory member of the corporation. This is not the case in the "single member model," where there is only one statutory member.
Greg
On Thursday, July 9, 2015, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> wrote:
I understand the powers would be bestowed on the council individuals and not their source position;
For instance one of the option is to populate the community council with leaders of SO/AC, which IMO would be the cheapest route in this model so they would be occupying a virtual seat and exercise those powers when required. It would also allow the various SO/AC internet accountability mechanisms apply to council including removal of members.
However, I then learnt that the council cannot be formed by SO/AC leader positions but rather to the occupants of that position. This would mean having to rewrite the bylaw/document forming the council often since leaders of those positions are dynamic and could change at anytime. Will be good to know if that is no longer the case
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On 7 Jul 2015 2:56 pm, "Roelof Meijer" <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl');>> wrote:
Interesting, we’re back on the subject of a single member structure. It was written off before
Cheers,
Roelof
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org');>> on behalf of Roelof Meijer <roelof.meijer@sidn.nl <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','roelof.meijer@sidn.nl');>> Date: woensdag 22 april 2015 15:56 To: "avri@acm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');>" <avri@acm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');>>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] member organization and single membership structure
Hi Avri,
The sole membership construction, is a possibility described in the legal document in several places: the comments by the legal experts on the PCCWG mechanism template (page 64) and the Community Council mechanism template (page 69). I sent several emails about it to the WP1 list, suggesting to look in the possibility as indeed it would not necessitate every SO and AC to become a legal entity. And, as you do, suggesting: "make the „Community Council” the sole member of ICANN (and thus a formal legal entity), consisting of either the SO and AC chairs or SO/AC elected representatives” (from an email of 14 April).
And I would think it would enable the SO’s and AC’s themselves to continue appointing directors, as they do now. But that’s just guessing, based on the fact that the SO’s and AC’s themselves would not change status
Best,
Roelof
From: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');>> Organization: Technicalities Reply-To: "avri@acm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');>" <avri@acm.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');>> Date: woensdag 22 april 2015 15:09 To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] member organization and single membership structure
Hi,
On 22-Apr-15 08:26, Roelof Meijer wrote:
2) What I find quite frustrating is that I have raised the point of the possibility (or not) of a single membership structure – an option mentioned by Sidley and Adler & Colving in their legal advice – several times by now without getting any substantial reaction. I am not aware that any serious effort to investigate this has led to a formal write-off.
In some way that might lessen the complexity of making most SOAC an individual legal entity.
How would it work? Would we continue to appoint Directors just as we do now?
Or would there need to be some sort of Members Council that took actions, working simliarly to the the executive board or community council idea?
thanks
avri
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