Chris, Although I am sure this was sent with the best intention, it does not help at all. At least, not me. It is a common phenomenon, but I get very annoyed when, with the purpose of sending a singular particular person a corrective message, a whole group is addressed. And that is for three reasons: 1) when you write ³participants², ³we² and ³us², your message seems to address me too. However, I have no recollection of making personal attacks on anybody. I feel accused of something I did not do. 2) it is inefficient and ineffective. You¹re addressing a whole lot of people who are behaving correctly. Your message is useless to them. The person you intend to address can always fool himself (and possibly others) that the message was not directed at him. And continue his behavior. 3) Although I understand that you don¹t want to personally attack someone, your generic message makes a weak point and at least gives me the impression that you¹re reluctant to speak out clearly and rightfully. Best, Roelof Meijer On 22-06-15 09:27, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Chris LaHatte" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of chris.lahatte@icann.org> wrote:
May I implore participants to continue to note the ICANN policy on polite discourse. It is important to have a strong and vigorous debate but we don't need to make personal attacks on each other. A polite note of disagreement should be sufficient, and has been frequently used. But if we start to attack individuals on list, this will distract us from the real tasks Regards
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On 22/06/2015, at 8:53 am, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
Colleagues
It seems to me worth recording, for "the record" that our colleague so frequently alludes to, some thoughts about the leadership of our group. Given the frequency and vituperative nature of the criticism emanating from one corner, I would not want silence in our discussions to in any way betoken agreement or assent. When some future historian looks back on these proceedings they might mistake volume for accuracy and lack of contradiction for agreement. That is most certainly not the case (at least not for me, and I suspect for many others).
I, for one, began this process with a modest amount of optimism that it could prove productive and a healthy dollop of skepticism that so unwieldy a process could be effectively managed. In 35 years in government and the private sector I have seen any number of committees with a much narrower mandate and a much smaller membership flounder and fail.
We should all, therefore, reflect that our co-Chairs and rapporteurs have, through their efforts, managed to push us along this far and this effectively. They have run an open and transparent process. They have been inclusive. They have moved the discussion along (perhaps too fast for some, but well within the bounds of reasonableness). They have exhibited patience beyond measure (I, personally, would long ago have asked the chartering organization to recall its member). And, to their very great credit, they have allowed the process to run without imposing their own views -- indeed, I would be hard pressed to state exactly what they might be -- an exercise in restraint that deserves praise.
In short, by any objective measure our co-Chairs have done a fine job. It has not been perfect, to be sure, but it has met every objective test of reasonableness that one can devise. I reject utterly any suggestion of bias, animus, or dishonesty. Those are baseless puerile allegations that reflect more on the nature of the accuser, whose views will, I am sure, be seen in retrospect as baseless.
Regards Paul
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-----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Hutty [mailto:malcolm@linx.net] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:59 PM To: Dr Eberhard W Lisse; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía Cc: List ccTLD Community; CCWG Accountability; Lisse Eberhard; <ccnso-members@icann.org>; cctldworld@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight Argentina time
On 21/06/2015 21:26, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: Dear Co-Chairs,
Your Co-Chair is being quite economical with the truth.
Dear Dr Lisse,
I am getting quite tired of the repeated disrespect you are showing to our colleagues, and your unfair attempts to impugne their integrity.
The communique was proposed to the meeting and read out. Participants were invited to comment; there being no substantive comments, the communique was accepted. I don't know what more deliberation you could want. The handling was entirely proper and normal.
Your attacks on León are without a shred of justification, as were your previous attacks on our co-chairs. He deserves your apology, as do they; if you choose to withhold it, that reflects upon you, not on them.
Perhaps you might wish to reflect on how counter-productive your approach is to any effort to persuade colleagues to give their attention to your interventions, and the disservice you are doing your own cause thereby.
I am a proud proponent of the multistakeholder model. Many on this list are new to this model, and unused to the opportunity openness to all does give to those who wish to be rude and disruptive. I am embarrassed to think how they must feel when they see this spat, and the other occasions you have mistreated colleagues here.
I can only hope that our new colleagues can look past the behaviour of one individual and recognise the deep well of cooperation and goodwill that characterises the rest of our work. I hope they can still find it in themselves to agree with me that the great achievement of building a broad base of consensus in such a challenging area is worth even the inconvenience of suffering such rudeness.
I am sorry I have had to be so blunt, but remaining silent felt too much like complicity in an injustice.
Sincerely,
Malcolm Hutty.
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