Good evening: I have recently read two apparently related documents: - summary of the work and Recommendations of the CCWG … - A formal update on the CCWG … during and after ICANN 54 … Could someone please explain which text is authoritative. Do I need to comment on mistakes in the 'summary' which are not in the 'formal update' - ? More generally, may I note that 30+ pages is already quite a stretch for most people. If the forthcoming November 30 document promises to be even longer, then we have a problem. Regards CW PS: Thankyou - someone - for drawing our attention to the existence of one Justin Bieber, of whom I was not previously aware. I trust that he has been advised as to his critical röle in the matter of the governance of ICANN. ;-) On 13 Nov 2015, at 20:36, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't realize you were such a big Justin Bieber fan. My apologies, then.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Well you started the scenario painting in the first place so I had the share of your insult as well. If the same person raise petition through multiple SO/AC and survives the internal processes of those SO/AC to remove their respective individual members then such person deserves the next Ethos award.
If you think the SO/AC community could be so drunk/distracted by approving/supporting such petition then maybe it's another reason why allowing appointing SO/AC remove her board member is flawed.
Regards
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 13 Nov 2015 19:53, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote: Perhaps you want the role to be restricted to leaders of SO/AC so Greg as the president of IPC can be the only one within IPC to raise such petition. Sorry that won't be implementing the concept of MS and I thought you do value that.
I did not in any way express or imply such an absurd thing, and I'm rather insulted that you would even raise the possibility. Perhaps you will find a way to join the few SO/ACs you haven't yet joined, so that you can raise a petition wherever you feel like it, even if the right is restricted. That seems like a much better plan for world domination, with much less work, than chairing a constituency.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Since you have the understanding below then that is correct and there is noting wrong with that; The petition only becomes recognised as legitimate when the SO/AC owns it.
I don't see what the issue is in that scenario, an individual (or group of people) raise a need, it goes through the particular SO/AC consideration processes and becomes a formal petition of the concerned SO/AC.
Perhaps you want the role to be restricted to leaders of SO/AC so Greg as the president of IPC can be the only one within IPC to raise such petition. Sorry that won't be implementing the concept of MS and I thought you do value that.
Regards Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 13 Nov 2015 19:25, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote: I don't believe Page 18 addresses my concerns. It says:
The petition can only be started in the SO or AC that nominated the Director.
It does not limit who can start that petition. As such, Justin Bieber could start a petition (or Seun Ojedeji -- oops I see you are are member of NCSG (along with ALAC and the ASO) so you could start a petition almost anywhere regardless of restrictions) in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin (a GNSO-appointed Director). So, my concern stands.....
If there's something I'm missing on page 18, please let me know.
Greg
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Sent from my Asus Zenfone2 Kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 13 Nov 2015 18:08, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
A few quick comments, since that's all there's time for under this plan. I was only able to review my prior comments against this draft; no time for a full read.
1. Page 11: Petition Process: Is it clear that any individual, regardless of affiliation can begin a petition in any AC/SO for every power? Even removing that AC/SO's appointed director? For example, can Justin Bieber start a petition in the GNSO to remove Bruce Tonkin? If that is what we agreed to, never mind. It just strikes me as odd, and I haven't seen it expressed this way before. (I think we used the passive voice before, which did not identify the "actor" or any limitation on their identity or affiliation.)
SO: Page 18 addresses your fears.
Cheers!
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> wrote:
Dear Sabine,
I think that this is version issue. The version of the document you are referencing is the incorrect one.
Indeed, it was part of the transparency issues mentioned in Dublin and, during the CCWG call #65 we specifically discussed the item (see the slides here : https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56144581/WP2%20Issues%202%2...) and acknowledged that there we had received several requests to address this issue in WS2.
Thank you for raising this consistency issue.
Best,
Mathieu
De : accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] De la part de Sabine.Meyer@bmwi.bund.de Envoyé : vendredi 13 novembre 2015 15:01 À : turcotte.bernard@gmail.com Cc : accountability-cross-community@icann.org Objet : Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call
Dear Bernard,
thank you for updating and re-sending the draft!
To my understanding, the list of WS2 items on p 29 does not yet reflect the current status of discussions if indeed the latest version is the following: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/50823981/AJed%2020151026%20...
In that case, “ICANN’s interaction with governments” is currently not part of the draft.
Thank you for considering this.
Kind regards
Sabine Meyer
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Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Bernard Turcotte Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2015 00:04 An: Accountability Cross Community Betreff: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG - Draft Update document for CCWG call
All,
As per Mathieu's email of earlier today please find the draft Proposal Update document which will be discussed at the next CCWG meeting.
The document is going to professional formatting as we speak - so any issues of layout, fonts etc. will be addressed by a specialist.
This document also represents a consideration of all the comments received with respect to the previous version - not that all of these were accepted, but a majority were taken on.
We apologize for the lateness of the document, but as you will notice we have put significant efforts into recasting this per the comments.
Bernard Turcotte
ICANN Staff Support for the CCWG
for the CCWG Co-chairs.
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