As I cannot post to the legal subteam’s list, allow me to do this way. I consider my reading of the text below to be some kind of a test of it not being “too legalistic” and “in very plain and simple language so that anyone without legal background can understand what we mean when using the terms”. To me it looks okay except for the use of “a person” at the start of each definition. I suspect that most non-legal people would understand “a person” to mean a human individual, which –if I understand correctly- is not what is exclusively meant here. In the definition of designator, I suggest to change to “(legal) person”, as a designator can be a legal person (an individual or an entity recognized under law) or not (and it that case be for instance a group of persons like the NomCom) In the definition of member, I suggest to change to “legal person”, as counsel states clearly that members must be exactly that. Best, Roelof Meijer From: List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <ccwg-accountability5@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>> Reply-To: "ccwg-accountability5@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>" <ccwg-accountability5@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>> Date: donderdag 30 april 2015 09:46 To: "'ccwg-accountability5@icann.org<mailto:'ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>'" <ccwg-accountability5@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Acct-Legal] Help with glossary definitions Leon, I'm not sure we've achieved definitions that are short and simple enough, but perhaps the group can decide what it thinks is less relevant to cut out. Designator: A person who is given the power in the Articles of Incorporation and/or Bylaws to fill one or more seats on the Board of Directors. Generally, a designator also has the right to remove the directors it designated with or without cause. Designated directors cannot be removed by the Board or members without the designator's consent. Designators may also be given the right through the Articles or Bylaws to consent to any changes in those governing documents. California corporate law is unclear whether a designator must be a legal person (an individual or entity that is recognized under law such as a corporation or an unincorporated association); however, unless a designator is a legal person, it will not be able to enforce any rights in court. Member: A person who under the Articles of Incorporation and/or Bylaws of a nonprofit corporation has the right to vote to elect one or more directors. Members have extensive rights and protections under California corporate law, including the collective rights to amend the Bylaws, approve any amendment to the Articles of Incorporation, and approve the disposition of substantially all the corporation's assets or any merger or dissolution; the class right to remove directors they elected; and the individual right to inspect certain corporate records. In addition to the rights members have under law, the law permits the Articles and Bylaws to specify additional corporate governance rights that may or must be exercised by the members. Members may be divided into classes with different voting and other rights. Members must be legal persons, and they have standing to enforce their rights. Rosemary -----Original Message----- From: ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:11 PM To: ccwg-accountability5@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Acct-Legal] Help with glossary definitions Will do, Leon. Rosemary and I will confer and provide something that is not too legalistic. Holly HOLLY J. GREGORY Partner Sidley Austin LLP +1.212.839.5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com<mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com> -----Original Message----- From: ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 5:05 PM To: ccwg-accountability5@icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org> Subject: [Acct-Legal] Help with glossary definitions Dear Holly and Rosemary, Could you please help us with the definitions for “Designator” and “Member” so that we can include them in the Glossary of our public comment document? Needless to say that we need a two sentence definition in very plain and simple language so that anyone without legal background can understand what we mean when using the terms. Thanks as usual. 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