It¹s just a game to him, let¹s refuse to play Well said. In fact, most email clients contain features that automate this process for you. Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Jun 22, 2015, at 11:15, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl<mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl>> wrote: Dear Paul, all, To make sure that the record, and any future historian, gets this right: I completely agree with Paul¹s assessment of the performance and conduct of our co-chairs and rapporteurs. Additionally, als to make sure that both the record and future historians get this right, let¹s all agree that volume is not equal to accuracy and lack of contradiction does not at all means agreement. I am of the opinion that the best way to deal with Eberhard Lisse¹s completely unfounded, aggressive criticism often aimed at CCWG colleagues who, in sharp contrast, contribute enormously to our goal, can best be ignored. As we witness now again, every reaction to him, provokes another reaction, frustrating us all, distracting us from our work and not getting us any further. It¹s just a game to him, let¹s refuse to play. If we really want this to stop, we should deal with it in a structural way, not by agreeing publicly that we all disagree. Best, Roelof Meijer On 22-06-15 08:16, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Paul Rosenzweig" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com>> wrote: Colleagues It seems to me worth recording, for "the record" that our colleague so frequently alludes to, some thoughts about the leadership of our group. Given the frequency and vituperative nature of the criticism emanating from one corner, I would not want silence in our discussions to in any way betoken agreement or assent. When some future historian looks back on these proceedings they might mistake volume for accuracy and lack of contradiction for agreement. That is most certainly not the case (at least not for me, and I suspect for many others). I, for one, began this process with a modest amount of optimism that it could prove productive and a healthy dollop of skepticism that so unwieldy a process could be effectively managed. In 35 years in government and the private sector I have seen any number of committees with a much narrower mandate and a much smaller membership flounder and fail. We should all, therefore, reflect that our co-Chairs and rapporteurs have, through their efforts, managed to push us along this far and this effectively. They have run an open and transparent process. They have been inclusive. They have moved the discussion along (perhaps too fast for some, but well within the bounds of reasonableness). They have exhibited patience beyond measure (I, personally, would long ago have asked the chartering organization to recall its member). And, to their very great credit, they have allowed the process to run without imposing their own views -- indeed, I would be hard pressed to state exactly what they might be -- an exercise in restraint that deserves praise. In short, by any objective measure our co-Chairs have done a fine job. It has not been perfect, to be sure, but it has met every objective test of reasonableness that one can devise. I reject utterly any suggestion of bias, animus, or dishonesty. Those are baseless puerile allegations that reflect more on the nature of the accuser, whose views will, I am sure, be seen in retrospect as baseless. Regards Paul Paul Rosenzweig paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Hutty [mailto:malcolm@linx.net] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:59 PM To: Dr Eberhard W Lisse; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía Cc: List ccTLD Community; CCWG Accountability; Lisse Eberhard; <ccnso-members@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-members@icann.org>>; cctldworld@icann.org<mailto:cctldworld@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight Argentina time On 21/06/2015 21:26, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: Dear Co-Chairs, Your Co-Chair is being quite economical with the truth. Dear Dr Lisse, I am getting quite tired of the repeated disrespect you are showing to our colleagues, and your unfair attempts to impugne their integrity. The communique was proposed to the meeting and read out. Participants were invited to comment; there being no substantive comments, the communique was accepted. I don't know what more deliberation you could want. The handling was entirely proper and normal. Your attacks on León are without a shred of justification, as were your previous attacks on our co-chairs. He deserves your apology, as do they; if you choose to withhold it, that reflects upon you, not on them. Perhaps you might wish to reflect on how counter-productive your approach is to any effort to persuade colleagues to give their attention to your interventions, and the disservice you are doing your own cause thereby. I am a proud proponent of the multistakeholder model. Many on this list are new to this model, and unused to the opportunity openness to all does give to those who wish to be rude and disruptive. I am embarrassed to think how they must feel when they see this spat, and the other occasions you have mistreated colleagues here. I can only hope that our new colleagues can look past the behaviour of one individual and recognise the deep well of cooperation and goodwill that characterises the rest of our work. I hope they can still find it in themselves to agree with me that the great achievement of building a broad base of consensus in such a challenging area is worth even the inconvenience of suffering such rudeness. I am sorry I have had to be so blunt, but remaining silent felt too much like complicity in an injustice. 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