Dear Paul Pls do not attach any other thing that principle, I object to double gain for one SO snd double loose for one AC on the principle of burden sharing and equal treatments of all SO and AC unless one believes that one should gain on two criteria and another one should loose on those two. NOTHING MIRE THAN THAT PLS! Regards Kavousd Sent from my iPhone
On 2 Feb 2016, at 16:24, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
OH … so you are just objecting politically, not in practice.
Sorry … disagree. It isn’t a double gain for an SO and a double loss for an AC. To the contrary, the GAC gets exactly what it wants – preferential consideration of its advice by the Board – and the community gets what it needs – a check on the possibility of GAC overreach that cannot be thwarted by the GAC as an EC member.
Happily, many GAC members disagree with you – at least the two contributors from Denmark and the UK have spoken somewhat favorably about this solution. Likewise (and I’m reading his mind again) even Jorge seems to think this solution has promise.
Cheers Paul
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Dear Paul Not at all This double gain for one SO and double loose for another SC UNACCEPTABLE. Regards Kavousd
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On 2 Feb 2016, at 16:08, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
Why? You say that but you don’t explain it.
From my perspective, you can certainly have a 60% rule for the Board’s actions with regard to GAC advice AND a rule that does not let the GAC participate in any Empowered Community decision in which the EC seeks to challenge/change/modify what the Board has done. Please explain
Paul
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From: Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 9:48 AM To: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> Cc: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>; accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Recommendation 11, 2/3 board threshold, GAC consensus, and finishing
Dear Andrew Dear All, I have just asked Becky to slightly modify her text by referring to" Board's Actions inregard with GAC aDVICE " and not ' GAC Advice" due to the fact that IRP could be invoked against Board's action and not an AC or a SO . She kindly confirmed that Second the alternative of 60% is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE with Her Proposal after editorial amendments mentioned above. We CAN NOT TAKE BOTH OF THEM AS TWO MUTUALLY INCLUSIVE OPTIONS Regards kAVOUSS
2016-02-02 15:32 GMT+01:00 Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com>: I agree with Andrew. Logically, there is no reason they are mutually exclusive. Politically, they are quite interdependent. For some the willingness to accept 60% might very well be contingent on Becky's proposal being adopted.
Paul
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-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Sullivan [mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 9:20 AM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Recommendation 11, 2/3 board threshold, GAC consensus, and finishing
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 09:14:31AM +0100, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
THESE TWO PROPOSALS ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
This is a new wrinkle. I don't see how it's true. Becky's proposal is completely compatible with 50%+1, 60% (+1?), 2/3, or even 100% thresholds for the board's support. Can you please explain why you think they are mutually exclusive?
Best regards,
A
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