No, no more rules or debates on the merits, please!! ICANN travel policy is flexible enough to cope already. This was a perfectly reasonable request, handled properly through existing procedures. We really don't all need to opine about a routine matter. On 27/02/17 11:10, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello,
As much as I like the idea, I would think setting/updating a/the travel policy globally would be more appropriate; this group is just one out of the many other current/future groups who may find themselves in similar situation. Perhaps this can be a recommendation to the Board (or whoever is charge of ICANN travel policy)
Regards
On 27 Feb 2017 17:48, "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info>> wrote:
I definitely agree that business class is warranted in this case - having to chair a session after 24h+ travel in economy class sounds nightmarish.
But I also see Nigel's point. Perhaps it'd be possible to come up with a rule, something along the lines that if the shortest available flight path for the chair of a meeting exceeds, say, 20 hours, it justifies business class flights.
Tapani
On Feb 27 10:26, Nigel Roberts (nigel@channelisles.net <mailto:nigel@channelisles.net>) wrote:
> Whilst I 100% agree with the previous contributors regarding the > utility of the proposal (and hope this puts the tin lid on that > discussion), and I also understand the reason that Leon put this out > to the wider group, possibly to forestall any accusations of > junketing, I am mildly uncomfortable with what seems to me to be a > 'voting' mentaily on this. > > To my simplistic mind, ICANN is a business. (Specifically, a > non-profit business). > > Where a particular expenditure advances the corporation's interests, > it SHOULD be undertaken. Where it does not, not. > > In this case, I would have simply preferred Leon to obtain the > agreement of the fund-holder or gate-keeper (the other co-chairs?) > and use the facility to promote the work-to-be-done, without > provoking this great chorus of metoos. > > The reason I say this, is that in the future, this procedure if it > becomes de rigeur, might discourage participation whereby some > people may be inhibited from asking for necessary facilities if it > has to be 'approved' by every Member and Participant, or at least > commented upon in the name of faux-transparency. > > Seriously, ICANN is a billion dollar business. > > Let's worry about doing the work, eh? > > Oh, yes, in case it wasn't clear. > > "I also agree with the proposed expenditure". > > > > > > > On 27/02/17 10:05, Lori Schulman wrote: > >Dear All, > > > > > > > >I agree that Leon should be accorded the exception to the travel rules > >and be offered a business class ticket. > > > > > > > >Lori > > > > > > > >Lori S. Schulman > > > >Senior Director, Internet Policy > > > >*International Trademark Association (INTA)* > > > >+1-202-704-0408 <tel:%2B1-202-704-0408>, Skype: lsschulman > > > > > > > >cid:image005.jpg@01D270D2.1801CD20 > > > > > > > >*From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> > >[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of > >*Paul Rosenzweig > >*Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:42 PM > >*To:* 'Kavouss Arasteh' <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>>; > >Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr>; 'Thomas Rickert' <rickert@anwaelte.de <mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de>>; 'León > >Felipe Sánchez Ambía' <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> > >*Cc:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> > >*Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] > >CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement > >and Process > > > > > > > >I am pleased to have the opportunity to say: “I agree with Kavouss.” > > > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > >Paul Rosenzweig > > > >paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com <mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> > ><mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com <mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com>> > > > >O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660> > > > >M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650> > > > >VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739> > > > >www.redbranchconsulting.com <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/ <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/>> > > > >My PGP Key: > >https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684> > > > > > > > >*From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> > ><mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> > >[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of > >*Kavouss Arasteh > >*Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 4:42 AM > >*To:* Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr> <mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr>>; Thomas > >Rickert <rickert@anwaelte.de <mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de> <mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de <mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de>>>; León Felipe > >Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>> > >*Cc:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> > ><mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> > >*Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] > >CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement > >and Process > > > > > > > >Dear Co-Chairs, > > > >It seems that everybody agree for the upgrading to Business Class and > >one additional day of acco0mmodation for Leon. > > > >Pls kindly decide on the matter favorably and put an end to this string > > > >Regards > > > >Kavouss > > > > > > > >2017-02-24 18:58 GMT+01:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com> > ><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>>: > > > > I would also note that this itinerary is an absolute minimum 20 > > hours gate-to-gate, and more likely 24 hours or so (which is close > > to 30 hours door-to-door) or even more.... > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > *Greg Shatan > > *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:(917)%20816-6428> > > S: gsshatan > > Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428 <tel:(646)%20845-9428> > > gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Greg Shatan > > <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > Agree with Phil, assuming that fits into Leon's schedule. > > Sometimes the extra day isn't personally available, even though > > it is always desirable. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > *Greg Shatan > > *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:(917)%20816-6428> > > S: gsshatan > > Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428 <tel:(646)%20845-9428> > > gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com> <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Seun Ojedeji > > <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > +1 to Phil's suggestion > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > On Feb 24, 2017 4:47 PM, "Phil Corwin" <psc@vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com> > > <mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>>> wrote: > > > > Not objecting to the request, but noting this statement – > > > > > > > > Taking into account this situation and the fact that I > > will be chairing our > > face to face meeting just hours after I land in South Africa > > > > > > > > Given that, as we all know, air travel is susceptible to > > unanticipated delays, if ICANN is going to incur the > > extra expense of business class perhaps it would be > > better for Leon to book an earlier flight itinerary. > > Even if it meant an extra night of accommodations, it > > would minimize the possibility of a flight delay that > > prevented Leon from chairing the meeting. > > > > > > > > *Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal* > > > > *Virtualaw LLC* > > > > *1155 F Street, NW* > > > > *Suite 1050* > > > > *Washington, DC 20004* > > > > *202-559-8597 <tel:(202)%20559-8597>/Direct* > > > > *202-559-8750 <tel:(202)%20559-8750>/Fax* > > > > *202-255-6172 <tel:(202)%20255-6172>/Cell* > > > > * * > > > > *Twitter: @VlawDC* > > > > > > > > */"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey/* > > > > > > > > *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>>] > > *On Behalf Of *Kavouss Arasteh > > *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 10:33 AM > > *To:* Mathieu Weill; > > accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> > > *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] > > CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement > > and Process > > > > > > > > Dear Co-Chairs, > > > > The situation is fully understandable and seems no one > > object to the ligitiate and convincing request of Leon. > > > > Regards > > > > Kavouss > > > > > > > > 2017-02-24 14:19 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Weill > > <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>>>: > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > For transparency, please be aware of the below specific > > request by Leon > > Sanchez regarding travel funding for Johannesburg. > > > > Considering the proposed arrangement and the fact that > > Leon will have to > > (co-)chair our F2F meeting on Day 1, we are prepared to > > grant the request, > > unless the group objects. > > > > Thank you for your attention. > > Best > > Thomas & Mathieu > > Co-chairs > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : León Felipe Sánchez Ambía > > [mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>] > > Envoyé : mercredi 15 février 2017 15:49 > > À : Thomas Rickert (thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net> > > <mailto:thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net>>); Mathieu Weill > > Cc : Accountability Staff > > Objet : Request for travel exception > > > > Dear Thomas and Mathieu, > > > > As the period to request travel support for our meeting > > in Johannesburg gets > > closer I would like to kindly ask for your consideration > > for an exception to > > our travel support rules given that traveling from > > Mexico to South Africa > > requires a double Intercontinental trip in any way I > > travel (either through > > Europe or South America). > > > > Taking into account this situation and the fact that I > > will be chairing our > > face to face meeting just hours after I land in South > > Africa, I would kindly > > request that business class travel is authorized for > > this one time. Please > > feel free to share this request as widely as you > > consider for transparency > > purposes. > > > > I thank your for your consideration in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > León > > > > > > > > > > > > *De :*accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> > > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>>] > > *De la part de* Bernard Turcotte > > *Envoyé :* vendredi 17 février 2017 23:21 > > *À :* Accountability Cross Community > > *Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT] > > CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement > > and Process > > > > > > > > > > > > The body of this email contains: > > > > > > > > * The announcement for Travel Funding Applications for > > the CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Face to Face at ICANN59 > > on 25 June 2017 > > * The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Travel Funding Policy > > * The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Travel Funding > > Application Form (Applications must be submitted by > > > > > > > > 23:59 UTC Sunday 19 March 2017) > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > The CCWG-Accountability > > > > -WS2 > > > > has travel funding for some Members and Rapporteurs to > > attend the Face to Face meetings held the day prior to > > an ICANN meeting who do not have any other funding > > available to them to attend. > > > > > > > > Members are those individuals that are specifically > > appointed by the chartering SO/ACs to the > > CCWG-Accountability - the list of Members can be found > > at https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59640780 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59640780> . > > > > > > > > > > Rapporteurs are those listed as such on the > > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Wiki for specific sub-groups > > located at > > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/WS2+SubGroup+Topics <https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/WS2+SubGroup+Topics>. > > Please see the attached policy for details regarding > > this funding. > > > > > > > > If you are not a Member or a Rapporteur, please do not > > apply as there is a very limited number of seats available. > > > > > > > > The next Face to Face meeting of the CCWG-accountability > > will be held on 25 June 2017 in conjunction with ICANN > > 59 in Johannesburg South Africa. > > > > > > > > Those Members and Rapporteurs wishing to be considered > > for travel funding should fill out the attached form and > > submit it by > > > > > > > > 23:59 UTC Sunday 19 March 2017 to Acct-Staff@icann.org <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org> > > <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org>>. > > > > > > > > The funding is for the Face- to- Face meeting > > > > of the CCWG-Accountability WS2 > > > > , which can include airfare, hotel and a per-diem > > allocation for meals for attending the Face to Face > > meeting only (and not the full ICANN meeting). However, > > in analyzing the requests the > > > > > > > > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 > > > > Co-Chairs will consider requests for partial funding > > (such as only an additional day of hotel and per diem to > > attend the Face to Face meeting) in order to maximize > > participation. As such Members are encouraged to only > > apply for what they need to allow for funding as many > > Members and Rapporteurs as possible. > > > > > > > > The final decisions on travel funding will be made by the > > > > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 > > > > Co-Chairs and published on the CCWG-Accountability WS2 > > wiki at > > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Supportwithin <https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Supportwithin> > > 7 days of the application period closing (a confirmation > > of the posting will be sent to the CCWG email list). > > > > > > > > Those being supported will then be contacted by ICANN > > Travel using the standard ICANN travel funding process > > to arrange details. > > > > > > > > Should you have any questions please do not hesitate to > > contact the CCWG-Accountability support staff at > > Acct-Staff@icann.org <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org> <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org>>. > > > > > > > > Bernard Turcotte > > > > > > > > ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Updated Process for Expressions of Interest requesting > > CCWG Travel Support (December 2016)* > > > > > > > > > > The current budgeted amount to support the work of CCWG > > WS2 members allocates travel support (travel, hotel and > > per diem) for an amount equivalent to 20 appointed > > members or rapporteurs to attend only a CCWG > > face-to-face meeting. The Co-Chairs have the authority > > to re-allocate this amount – this could include > > supporting requests for partial funding to allow them to > > maximize the number of members attending (e.g. the > > requestor may ask for any or all of the following: > > airfare, and/or hotel and/or per diem) or to extend the > > stay of some key participants. > > > > > > > > You are eligible for travel support from the CCWG if you > > are an officially appointed member of WS2 from a > > chartering SO or AC or if you are officially listed as a > > Rapporteur or Co-Rapporteur on the > > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Wiki located at > > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/WS2+-+Enhancing+ICANN+Accountabilit... <https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/WS2+-+Enhancing+ICANN+Accountabilit...>. > > > > > > > > Travel support arrangements will follow Constituency > > Travel Guidelines located at: > > https://community.icann.org/display/trvlconstit/Constituency+Travel+Home <https://community.icann.org/display/trvlconstit/Constituency+Travel+Home> > > > > > > > > > > The CCWG travel support slots will be allocated in > > priority as follows: > > > > > > > > CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs – 3 slots (or equivalent > > amount) > > > > > > > > CCWG-Accountability Chartering Organization Appointed > > Members > > > > CCWG-Accountability Rapporteurs > > > > > > > > CCWG appointed Members and Rapporteurs requesting > > consideration by the Co-Chairs for travel support to > > attend a face-to-face meeting must complete and submit > > the travel request form by the stipulated deadline in > > order to be considered for funding. > > > > > > > > NOTE: In evaluating the applications for travel funding > > the Co-Chairs will consider applicant's attendance to > > CCWG meetings and their contributions to the ongoing > > work as well as the availability of alternate funding to > > the applicant. > > > > > > > > CCWG Staff support will send out an announcement > > regarding the application for travel support and > > deadline for application submissions as soon as a > > face-to-face meeting has been approved. Applications to > > request travel support are located at: > > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Support <https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Support> > > > > > > > > Completed forms can be sent to Acct-Staff@icann.org <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org> > > <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org <mailto:Acct-Staff@icann.org>>for submission to the > > Co-Chairs for review and approval. > > > > > > > > All applicants for CCWG WS2 travel support will be > > posted on the CCWG WS2 wiki under Travel Support. Names > > will be listed REQUESTED and once approved will be > > listed as APPROVED for travel support including the type > > of support that is approved. > > > > > > > > > > The Co-Chairs will review the applications received, > > including the requests for partial support, and > > determine the list of approved CCWG members who will > > receive travel funding. > > > > > > > > The CCWG approved travel support list will be submitted > > to ICANN Constituency Travel for processing according to > > community travel guidelines. > > > > > > > > The approved list of funded CCWG members will be posted > > on the WS2 wiki at > > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Suppor <https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Suppor> > > <https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Support <https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Support>>_t_ > > > > > > > > > > > > =========================================================== > > > > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Supported Travel Request Form > > > > > > > > You are eligible for travel support from the > > CCWG-Accountability only if you are an officially > > appointed member of WS2 from a chartering SO or AC or if > > you are an officially listed Rapporteur for a WS2 sub-group. > > > > > > > > > > > > The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Co-Chairs will review the > > applications received, including the requests for > > partial support, and determine the list of approved CCWG > > members who will receive travel funding. > > > > > > > > The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 approved travel support list > > will be submitted to ICANN Constituency Travel for > > processing according to community travel guidelines > > > > > > > > Travel support arrangements will follow Constituency > > travel guidelines located at: > > https://community.icann.org/display/trvlconstit/Constituency+Travel+Home <https://community.icann.org/display/trvlconstit/Constituency+Travel+Home> > > > > > > > > > > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 appointed Members or rapporteurs > > requesting consideration by the Co-Chairs for travel > > support to attend a face-to-face meeting must complete > > and submit the travel request form by the stipulated > > deadline in order to be considered for funding. > > > > > > > > Applicant Identification > > > > ======================== > > > > > > > > Name: > > > > > > > > Chartering Org or Rapporteur for which WS2 Group: > > > > > > > > Email address: > > > > > > > > Date of Request: > > > > > > > > > > > > Other sources of support > > > > ======================== > > > > > > > > Please indicate if you are receiving travel support from > > another organization to attend the ICANN meeting > > > > > > > > I am receiving support from another organization > > (yes or no): > > > > > > > > If you are not receiving support from another > > organization, please proceed to “Support requested from > > CCWG-Accountability”. 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