I believe I understand the issues regarding UAs as shadow organizations for the AC/SOs. Although I still have strong reservations and am not sure we need the legal enforceability that they provide, I am willing to accept that they will work. But I also feel that using such structures will be difficult for the overall community to understand (on an ongoing basis). I have a simple question. Instead of having a UA and the AC/SO naming people to be their formal representatives in the UA, why can we not simply have the AC/SO Chair or their Delegate(s) be the Members or Designators. These people have legal status, so why do we need the UAs? I will not be able to join the call in a few hours, but will listen to the recording later in the day. Alan