Dear Brett I am protective of all So7AC. You misunderstood me totally. Everybody wants to decide on whether or not GAC participate in decision making I simply said we do not know yet. Leave it to them to decide and be patient. It is not the time to talk whether we would have 5 or 4 SO/AC. Please then kindly do not put any words in my mouth. Tks being so kind and read the text as it was. Regards Kavouss 2016-03-01 19:48 GMT+01:00 Schaefer, Brett <Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org>:
Avri,
I have been paying attention to the overall discussion, but I have paid particularly close attention to this issue. After multiple, lengthy discussions, I thought that we had agreed that it was up to the GAC to decide to be in or out.
I thought that THAT was the compromise, not that the GAC was in by default, but could choose to be out. If this had been made clear, I would have been very vocal in opposing it. The text on this issue in the final CCWG-Accountability report is ambiguous:
99. Implementation of the Empowered Community currently anticipates that all of ICANN’s SOs, the ALAC and GAC (if the GAC chooses to participate) would participate in the Empowered Community – that is, they will be listed in the Bylaws as the five Decisional Participants.
I read that as GAC participation was dependent on an affirmative GAC decision to participate. Most apparently disagree with this interpretation.
I know that most of the CCWG-Accountability is ready to move on, but I hope the implications – that the practical ability of the EC to actually exercise its powers will be much harder with a habitually indecisive GAC as a participant – are widely understood.
Best,
Brett
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*From:* accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 12:23 PM *To:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Request for Clarification on Threshold Issue
Hi,
I thought doing it this way was one of the earlier compromises in this extended end game.
avri
On 01-Mar-16 11:37, Schaefer, Brett wrote:
Kavouss,
I am mildly surprised that you, as someone who has been very protective of the right of the GAC to make its own decisions, is not upset with the determination by the CCWG to make GAC a decisional participant by default before it has actually made this decision for itself.
Best,
Brett
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Of *Kavouss Arasteh *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 11:28 AM *To:* Mathieu Weill; Thomas Rickert; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía *Cc:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Request for Clarification on Threshold Issue
Dear All,
Yo are too worried about something that we still do not know how it happens
The text approriate and clearly mention that if the No of Decision Making SO and AC changed the threshold should be adjusted
That is more than sufficient.
People need to refrain concentrating/ focussing on a particular AC nor envisage all possible senarios.
We are not wtritting Bylaws at this stage .
There is ample time and competent individuals to look at the matter once happened.
Let us discontinue this counterproductive discussion
Regards
Kavouss
2016-03-01 16:32 GMT+01:00 Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu <milton@gatech.edu%0b>> <mailto:milton@gatech.edu <milton@gatech.edu>>>:
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Sorry, wrong. The assumption has been made and it is the same as the assumption that was made in the Third, Second and First Draft Reports. GAC is going to be listed in the fundamental bylaws as a decisional participant in the Empowered Community.
Huh? See below
The only way that could change would be if GAC advised it did not wish to do so. Same with any other group.
Which they haven’t done yet. Ergo, my statement below was correct.
On 1 March 2016 at 13:16, Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu <milton@gatech.edu%0b>> <mailto:milton@gatech.edu <milton@gatech.edu>>> wrote:
Whether one agrees with Brett or not, the fact remains that GAC has explicitly told us that it is _/undecided/_ on whether to be a decisional participant or not. Therefore, until we get a positive decision from them, we cannot assume that they will be by default. Greg S. was saying essentially the same thing:
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