Dear Kavouss, I've said a number of times I don't mind the outcome either way. Because of that I don't hear, or make, strong arguments in favour or against any option. Because of that, I tend to favour not changing the report if we don't have to. I honestly believe that the circumstances in which this power would be used and this lower threshold available are so unlikely, that it would only ever happen in a state of shocking conflict. And since board members are usually quite rational, I also believe that if the Board allowed things to get that bad, they would probably be thinking of resigning anyway. Or to put it another way - I don't think we have a problem here that needs fixing by changing the report. Jordan On Monday, 22 February 2016, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jordan Re your last message relating to the removal if the Board in case of no IRP, i am not still convinced by yr argument . Why not ,exceptionally require 4SO/AC for that case. Such exception, could help to 1) satisfy Board, s concerns and 2) could help other participants be more comfortable that in the absence of IRP the 4 SO/AC support will prevail and thus be more comfortable to accept the Carve-Out Regards Kavousd Sent from my iPhone
On 22 Feb 2016, at 10:41, Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jordan@internetnz.net.nz');>> wrote:
Thanks Hillary for this.
All, in prep for our call on the 23rd, I thought I'd extract and post the exact wording from Annex 2 about the carve out thresholds that seems to be at the centre of the discussion. Here they are:
Quote from Annex 2 - para 72 and bullet:
- - - The CCWG-Accountability also recommends that in a situation where the GAC may not participate as a Decisional Participant because the Community Power is proposed to be used to challenge the Board’s implementation of GAC consensus advice and the threshold is set at four in support, the power will still be validly exercised if three are in support and no more than one objects,with the following exception:
Where the power to be exercised is recalling the entire Board for implementing GAC advice, the reduced threshold would apply only either (1) after an IRP has found that, in implementing GAC advice, the Board acted inconsistently with the ICANN Bylaws, or (2) if the IRP is not available to challenge the Board action in question. If the Empowered Community has brought such an IRP and does not prevail, the Empowered Community may not exercise its power to recall the entire the Board solely on the basis of the matter decided by the IRP. It may, however, exercise that power based on other grounds. - - -
I read this as establishing a threshold of three SOs/ACs in support to use the Board recall power in only two situations:
1) if IRP held that Board acted inconsistent with bylaws 2) if IRP is not available
Otherwise the threshold would remain at four SOs/ACs in support.
I cannot think of many circumstances where the IRP is not available, since almost any action of the Board could be tested against the bylaws through an IRP.
If an IRP finds in favour of the Board, the threshold would remain at four SOs/ACs in support. Yes, it breaches the principle of unanimity being never required, but it does so after a thorough investigation by an IRP process. (If there is no such investigation, i.e. no IRP available, then the lower threshold applies.)
Seems fine to me.
Speak with you all in ~18hours...
Jordan
On 22 February 2016 at 16:14, Hillary Jett <hillary.jett@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hillary.jett@icann.org');>> wrote:
Hello all,
As requested by the co-Chairs, staff has made available the updated Core Proposal, Annexes and Appendices as they were prepared after comments received from the 17 February posting in anticipation of a 19 February distribution of the proposal to the Chartering Organizations. They can be found on the wiki here (https://community.icann.org/x/iw2AAw).
These documents are *not* final, however have been made available for preliminary review. Any discussions on the list from 19 February to now are not reflected.
Thanks, Hillary
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