Hi I was referring to:
In addition, the CCWG-Accountability will be open to any interested person as a participant. Participants may be from a chartering organization, from a stakeholder group not represented in the CCWG-Accountability, or may be self-appointed. Participants will be able to actively participate in and attend all CCWG-Accountability meetings, work groups and sub-work groups. However, should there be a need for a consensus call or decision, such consensus call or decision will be limited to CCWG-Accountability members appointed by the chartering organizations.
true it does not say vote, it say decision. That is why I did not specifically refer to a vote, but a decision by the members. avri On 29-Dec-15 15:50, Chartier, Mike S wrote:
Alan,
Can you point out where the Charter gives voting rights to members? The relevant text below seems to say just the opposite.
/In developing its Proposal(s), work plan and any other reports, the CCWG-Accountability shall seek to act by consensus. Consensus calls should always make best efforts to involve all members (the CCWG-Accountability or sub-working group). The Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations: /
/a) Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection/
/b) Consensus – a position where a small minority disagrees, but most agree /
/In the absence of Full Consensus, the Chair(s) should allow for the submission of minority viewpoint(s) and these, along with the consensus view, shall be included in the report. /
/In a rare case, the chair(s) may decide that the use of a poll is reasonable to assess the level of support for a recommendation. However, //care should be taken in using polls that they do not become votes//, as there are often disagreements about the meanings of the poll questions or of the poll results.///
Thanks,
Mike
*From:*Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:18 PM *To:* Chartier, Mike S <mike.s.chartier@intel.com>; avri@acm.org *Cc:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January
I read the "they" as being the formally appointed CCWG Members, to whom the charter gives voting rights.
Alan -- Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.
On December 29, 2015 1:26:44 PM EST, "Chartier, Mike S" <mike.s.chartier@intel.com <mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com>> wrote:
Avri, I'm a little confused. What do you mean by "they should decide on those issues"?
Mike
On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org <mailto:avri@acm.org>> wrote:
Hi,
I am not into rushing. And certainly not into rushing for rushing sake.
But we have committed ourselves to getting the work done and we have a world of people waiting for us to make and end of it. We have been slipping our schedule. While the reasons for slipping the schedule may be legitimate (not always certain of that) it does not mean we haven't slipped on promises. We continue to slip. I think this commits us to do our best to just keep putting one foot in front of the other and continuing to do our best to get the work done. That is not done by taking a
leisurely time, but is one the aided by focusing on the work intensively.
I still think we should be considering intensive online working weekends.
I also think it may be time for the members among us (I am not one) to do some deciding on the issues where we still do not have full consensus. For example, if at the end of the intense work period in January we are still arguing about some details, they should decide on those issues, we should document that fact, and move on.
avri
On 29-Dec-15 12:15, Kavouss Arasteh wrote: Yes Some people rush and rush. In some of the working party meeting in the past there was about 10 participant since others could not afford that. Multiplication if meetings and extension of their duration does not always have good resu
lts. We need good plan,good preparation and advance working document and establishment of priorities Kavousd
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On 25 Dec 2015, at 01:41, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org <mailto:avri@acm.org>> wrote:
Hi,
I think the intensive schedule is necessary and we will find a way if we want to have any chance of succeeding with an IANA Transition in 2016.
I also think 3hr meetings are ok. We might even consider one or more of those remote weekends of meetings when they do not interfere with people's work.
avri
On 24-Dec-15 06:58, Kavouss Arasteh wrote: Dear Mathieu Thank you for your suggestion As I told you at various occ
ations,
human being mental capacity should not be overloaded. I have participated in many conference calls since years. Any call which lasts more than two hours was totally inefficient Pls then reduce the duration to maximum two hours Regards Kavouss
2015-12-24 12:25 GMT+01:00 James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net <mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net <mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net%0b%20%3cmailto:james@cyberinvasion.net>>>:
I don’t forsee anyone who is not being compensated for their work being able to dedicate 6 hours from a working week to this, I object to rushing things and designing schedules which are unrealistic IMO.
-Jg
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org
<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org%0b%20%20%20%3cmailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>>> on behalf of Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr%0b%20%20%20%3cmailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>>> Date: Thursday 24 December 2015 at 11:22 a.m.<
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To: 'Accountability Cross Community' <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org%0b%20%20%20%3cmailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January
Dear Colleagues,
In line with the work plan discussion held on call #72, we wish to inform you that we have decided to increase the number of calls per week to two to allow for an in-depth analysis of the input received on our Draft Proposal, and discuss any complex requests for change there may be. It is currently foreseen that this frequency of calls will only apply to the month of January.
As discussed on 22 December, these calls will be plenary and topic-based. You will receive a list of topics in advance of the meetings so that you may plan your participation accordingly.
Duration of the calls will also be exte
nded to
3 hours to allow for ample time to complete our tasks. Calls will be cancelled (and/or duration will be reduced) if deemed unnecessary.
Please note that staff will send invites as well as overview of the conference call calendar shortly.
We look forward to reconvening in January and wish you a happy holiday season for those of you who celebrate.
Best regards
Mathieu – Thomas - León
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