Volunteers has different faces: 1. Some are Professionals involved in the filed of work of each group or sub group. Their real interest is to improve their profesional skills and use the experience and material for their job or academic role. They are active Participants because they work with a volunteer hat. Sometimes this can be dangerous because they have enterprises or organizations they work for and of course because they get paid, the volunteer and Active working is a real job instead.. 2. Citizens or users working in the real interest of civil Society. Not always actively participating because not always have the expertise or time to do so and have real Jobs to attend not related with this groups so they really volunteer dedicating time and effort to actively participate, even ocasionally. In my particular situation I'm in the second group and dedicate some of my free time here, i'm an observer most of time until some issue like this one come to me and motivate to participate. I'm in favor of No penalties for a "lack of participation" nor a prize for "volunteer hat" Carlos Vera Isoc Ecuador Enviado desde mi smartphone BlackBerry 10. Mensaje original De: avri doria Enviado: domingo, 14 de agosto de 2016 10:03 Para: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Asunto: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Clarifying the Observer Role in the Subgroups Hi, Perhaps there is a level of participation between passive Observation and commitment to all meetings and hard work. I think this is achieved by attending calls we are interested in, marking ourselves as (observer)s and listening. I think the chat allows a form of comment that does not grab the microphone but which does allow an occasional comment. Personally I watch the schedule and figure I can AC into any meeting that interests me, but not activate my microphone when calling myslef an Observer. I think we might be sending the wrong message if we say there is a binary choice: you have to be full-in like the more dedicated participants, or sit quietly until the work is done. However, if the only penalty for weak participation is a bad attendance report, then please switch me to participant in all groups. thanks avri On 14-Aug-16 10:34, Bernard Turcotte wrote:
Greg et al.,
Answers inserted in your questions below but it is important to note the the role of Observers was meant to be just that:
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Co-Chairs and Staff,
We need some clarification of the Observer role in the Subgroups.
Conceptually, are the Observers essentially "spectators" or do they have the ability to participate in some fashion?
Specifically:
1. Will Observers get call invitations?
No - in part this is because there is no way to distinguish between Observers and Participants on teleconferences or in Adobe - as such if Observers were to participate in these there would be no point in having the differentiation between Observers and Active Participants. It is however important to note that there is no restrictions on who can be an Active Participant or an Observer and that people can join either or switch between them at any time. I will copy below the published definitions of these here to remind people of the difference between these two:
* As an active participant who wishes to engage in the day-to-day discussions of the particular topic. Each active participant is expected to spend at least 3-5 hours per week on sub-group work and will have posting rights to the mailing list. * As an observer who wishes to follow the topic discussion but not actively participate at the sub-group level. Observers are not expected to spend time on sub-group work and will not have posting rights to the mailing list.
2. Can Observers join Adobe Connect and/or phone bridge for the call?
That is up to the rapporteurs for that group as staff will not police this - but again since calls are being recorded, transcribed and notes taken it was felt observers would not be deprived of any information.
3. If yes, can Observers speak and/or write in the chat, or are they required to be silent/non-participating?
As noted above there is no automated way of , and staff will not police, enforcing any limitation on Observers in Adobe, as such there is nothing which would prevent them from fully participating.
4. Do Observers receive the mailing list posts along with everyone else?
Yes.
5. Will Observers have posting rights to the email list?
No.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
B.
Clarification of these specific issues as soon as possible will be most helpful to the functioning of the Subgroups.
Thank you.
Greg
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