+ 1 Avri and Niels On 13/07/2016 13:59, Niels ten Oever wrote:
I agree with Avri. Also: eventhough it might not in all cases be clear what the global public interest is, often it is very clear what it is not.
Best,
Niels
On 07/13/2016 02:46 PM, avri doria wrote:
Hi,
I think I disagree. I think the understanding of ICANN's position on the global interest always depends on the bottom-up multistakeholder understanding of that public interest within the confines of its mission. I think that we can define a framework that helps us discover the public interest within the context of a particular issue and the mission. A set of principles, beyond those at the highest level, seem to be a holy grail that we can search for but that will continue to elude us. On the other hand it will always also be necessary to measure our understanding of the public interest in policies and behavior with regard to our commitment to the mission and to the impact on the fundamental human rights we plan to respect.
Essentially understanding the public interest can only work if we see it as a continual process of discovery and bottom-up policy development according to ever improving bottom-up multistakeholder process.
avri
On 13-Jul-16 05:48, Dr. Mona Al-achkar JAbbour wrote:
I confirm Tijami. Without clear concepts and principles, there is no chance for a "Global Public Interest".
Despite the fact that “public interest “ is a general broad term, it is always decided upon weighing expected gains and potential losses associated with a decision or a policy.
Hence, besides defining principles and concepts, there is a need, to have an independent party who can have a say, on what is the “global public internet” in issues related to ICANN’s decisions and policies.
Sincerely
Mona
------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 19:22:31 +0100 To: sam@lanfranco.net CC: thomas@rickert.net; accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Draft Comment for Public Consultation on Articles of Incorporation (AOC)
I love the comparaison you make with justice.
As for justice, we need a broad set of principles to be defined The purpose of the process is to reach consensus based on those principles. Reaching a consensus on the issue at hand without having the set of principles will give a result according to the power (money, time to spend on the discussion, etc.) of each stakeholder.
The « Global Public Interest » is needed to avoid that the ICANN policy or practice is captured by political, commercial, and/or any other particular interest. So if we limit it to reaching a consensus, we may see political or commercial interest dominate the consensus for the reasons I mentioned. That consensus is necessary and should be based on the so called « set of broad principles ».
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Le 10 juil. 2016 à 13:52, Sam Lanfranco <sam@lanfranco.net <mailto:sam@lanfranco.net>> a écrit :
At the risk of restating the obvious in simple terms I am taking a whack at the issue of ICANN and the public interest (global or otherwise). There is no agreed upon definitive definition of the public interest. This is not because there are different competing definitions but because of the inherent nature of the notion itself. The public interest is not like an element (iron, copper, helium) in the periodic chart where there is a fine grained molecular test of whether something is in, or not in, the public interest. It is a concern across a broad scope of human existence for the impact of policies and practices carried out by institutions, and in some cases individuals. Does an action support, or counter, the public interest (i.e., can I raise chickens in my urban back yard)?
In ICANN, it is appropriate to have a commitment to policies and actions in the global public interest, without a defined definition of global public interest. That is why there is reference to the multistakeholder community through an inclusive bottom-up multistakeholder community process. Here is where a nuance is important. The task of that process is not to craft an ICANN definitive definition of the global public interest. The task of that process is to stand ready to be invoked whenever it appears that an ICANN policy or practice is not consistent with some element of the global public interest. C
In the case of society and justice, where there is no definitive definition of justice, a broad set of principles exist and on a case by case basis the objective is that “justice has to be seen to be done”. In the case of ICANN and a commitment to the global public interest, on a policy and practice case by case basis, the global public interest has to be seen to be served. To repeat, the task of the ICANN multistakeholder community is to remain vigilant with respect to policies and practices as they impact on the global public interest and remain as the defenders of those interests within the work of ICANN. In doing so it will benefit from the case evidence build up within ICANN and elsewhere, but its task is not to pursue a quest for a definitive definition of the global public interest.
Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/CSIH
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