On 2015-12-01 00:04, David Post wrote:
At 06:03 PM 11/30/2015, Silver, Bradley wrote:
David,
I am having some trouble understanding your examples below. Is your concern with the grandfathering of the RAA that it would give ICANN total freedom in deciding how to respond to enforcing provisions like 3.18 – even such enforcement was clearly not consistent with its stated mission?
Yes, that is a very, very serious concern.
This concern I think we can deal with. My understanding was that the agreed text text was intended to prevent ICANN having such unfettered freedom. If your concern, David, is that it might be unsuccessful in that attempt, then let's just agree that the attorneys must ensure that it avoids any possibility of that outcome. Since we are not discussing the final bylaws, but only text that is intended to brief the lawyers, and that the text written by the lawyers will come back to the CCWG for final review, this remains within our power.
Or do you believe that to the extent ANY enforcement by ICANN of provisions like 3.18 that touch on illegal activity that implicates “content†would take such a provision outside the mission?  If it’s the latter, then it appears you are attempting to achieve a retrospective amendment of the RA and RAA – by redeffining “illegal activity†or “activity contrary to applicable law†to specifically exclude any activity which relates to the content associated with the Registered Name.  Â
Yes, I believe this as well. I thought we had widespread agreement on that. To the extent enforcement by ICANN of provisions like 3.18 _touch on illegal activity that implicates content_ is outside the mission. The Proposal clearly says: "ICANN’s Mission does not include the regulation of services that use the Domain Name System or the regulation of the content these services carry or provide." If enforcement of the the provision (again, like the defamation/fraud examples) touches on "illegal activity that implicates or relates to _content_, I do not believe that ICANN can impose obligations (directly or indirectly) on domain name holders with respect to that content. The RAA ad the RA appear to allow them to do that - which is why we need to clarify that they're not "grandfathered" in.
I am afraid I must disagree with you here, David. Merely "touching upon" content is not, in my view, sufficient to place something outside the scope of ICANN's Mission and it wasn't my intent, in supporting this text, to make it so. I certainly wish to prevent ICANN using its authority over domain names as leverage to enable it to engage in activity whose *purpose* is the regulation of content, even if the *means* is limited to regulating domain names. But if the true purpose is an entirely proper regulation of domain names, then merely "touching upon" content is not sufficient, in my view, to prevent ICANN from that goal. Perhaps curiously, I can't think of any better example example to illustrate this distinction than the discussion we recently had about the UDRP: in the UDRP, the purpose is to determine whether someone has registered a domain to which they have no right (or rather, in which someone else's rights in that domain preempt and preclude them from registering it). So long as the focus is on answering that question, content on services addressed using that domain is perfectly admissible and relevant evidence. Selling widgets marked with a counterfeit "Banana" trademark on www.banana.com is perfectly good evidence that your registration of banana.com was intended as a misuse of Banana Corp's trademark and not as a legitimate, lawful use of the string banana to market fruit. On the other hand, content is only evidence in that question: illegitimate content cannot of itself give rise to a right to a third party to supercede the registrant's rights in the domain under the UDRP, even if it does give rise to remedies against the registrant under local law. I really do think the respective sides to this debate need to accept the long-established boundaries to ICANN's role, even if neither are terribly happy about them. ICANN WILL regulate domain names per se, and its enforcement mechanisms will make use of relevant evidence to that effect; so sorry, dear friends in the civil society community, but this is settled. On the other hand, ICANN CANNOT be authorised to regulate the entire Internet, using the threat of domain suspension as a cure-all for every supposed evil that people do online: we are simply not willing to give ICANN such power; that must be reserved for governments acting within their own jurisdictions (and not collectively, through GAC). This is the balance. This is the compromise. On this compromise rests not only support for transition, but support for ICANN itself, and for the multi-stakeholder model more generally. If ICANN is not able to regulate the sphere placed within its responsibility, support for ICANN as an effective means for discharging that responsibility will evaporate, first within the IPR lobby, then governments, and gradually more generally. But equally, if ICANN overreaches, and uses its power to implement more general regulation of what occurs online, then support will evaporate just as fast: first with civil society, then with other Internet intermediaries like ISPs, and remarkably rapidly with governments too (when that power is used for a purpose contrary to their own local policy, as must be inevitable), and then at last with the whole community. Our job here is to preserve that balance, not to upset it; to ensure that the enforceable rules we write to uphold that balance are durable, and will ensure that the line is respected, not just today, but in the face of challenges to come. I believe our Third Draft Report successfully preserves that balance and, crucially, provides the means to ensure that the same balance survives in the post-transition environment. Our lawyers must now implement these measures, and we must then check that they have done so. Kind Regards, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ London Internet Exchange Ltd 21-27 St Thomas Street, London SE1 9RY Company Registered in England No. 3137929 Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA