Dear All We are not hear to listen or read the minority statement.we have seen read them before. Regards Kavousd Sent from my iPhone
On 22 Feb 2016, at 18:50, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org> wrote:
The “long established equilibrium” was thrown out the moment it was agreed that GAC gets to be a decisional participant on any of these key corporate governance matters, but it is interesting to watch the spin claim what is black is white, etc.
Robin
On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote:
So, for clarity, connecting two seemingly separate issues:
If a SO-run PDP leads to a bylaw change, blocking that change would require the support of the relevant SO And
If the board wants to implement GAC advice and the community intends to prevent that by recalling the board, the GAC does not even have a say
Steve and his board are quite right, in my opinion: “the long established equilibrium” is up for grabs
Best,
Roelof
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Becky Burr <Becky.Burr@neustar.biz> Date: maandag 22 februari 2016 13:55 To: "Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>, "milton@gatech.edu" <milton@gatech.edu>, "steve.crocker@icann.org" <steve.crocker@icann.org>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Cc: Icann-board ICANN <icann-board@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it
For clarity:
1. The carve-out (GAC non-decisional) would apply where the use of community power is sought to respond to Board implementation of GAC Advice. 2. The Board proposal would say that the threshold for recall in such cases would remain at 4 unless an IRP has determined that the Board’s implementation violated the Bylaws.
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From: "Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> Date: Monday, February 22, 2016 at 6:25 AM To: "milton@gatech.edu" <milton@gatech.edu>, "steve.crocker@icann.org" <steve.crocker@icann.org>, Accountability Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Cc: "icann-board@icann.org" <icann-board@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it
Dear all
From this email by Milton it seems that some (as Milton) are understanding that the carve-out only would apply if the Board decision to implement GAC Advice is found (by the IRP I guess) to be inconsistent with the Bylaws.
I have been away for one week, but I feel that the carve-out was meant to apply generally to situations where there is Board implementation of GAC Advice...
Could someone kindly clarify the status?
Best regards
Jorge
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Mueller, Milton L Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Februar 2016 23:34 An: Steve Crocker <steve.crocker@icann.org>; Accountability Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Cc: Icann-board ICANN <icann-board@icann.org> Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it
Steve I think Andrew got the issue exactly right. I do not see how your answer even engages with his argument, which is that nearly all of the community has agreed that when board actions are challenged for being out of mission by following GAC advice, that the GAC should not be in a position to rule on that.
Claiming that the GAC does not have "extraordinary power" does not answer Andrew's argument. Whether the GAC has extraordinary power or not, if it advises you (the board) to do something that the rest of the community thinks is outside of the bounds of the bylaws (which it has a demonstrated tendency to do) the GAC should not be a decisional member of the empowered community that decides whether we get to challenge that action.
From that premise on, it is all arithmetic, as Andrew showed:
This is a choice entirely within the GAC's power. It must choose. If it chooses to be board-advisor-GAC, then it is in effect choosing that it prefers that mode of operation to being part of the wider Empowered Community mechanism. In effect, a GAC choice can reduce the possible actors in the Empowered Community to four. Otherwise, the GAC is in a position to insist on advice it gave being considered first by the board, and then that the GAC can also participate in the judgement of the Board's actions. That's the very "two bites" problem that we were trying to solve. I believe that in most organizations (including many governments), it would be regarded as surprising that a participant in the to-be-judged action also gets to be one of the judges.
You have not refuted this, as I said before you have not even engaged with this. This increases my suspicion that the board's position is based on a political calculus, not on good governance or accountability criteria.
Further, it is clear from the reaction you have gotten that the board is not proposing a "friendly amendment." In these rules of procedure, a friendly amendment has to be accepted by the group that proposed it, and clearly it is not.
I am deeply disturbed by the board upsetting a consensual compromise, and a very difficult one, for the third time in this process. I wonder if you have any appreciation of the potential costs of this, particularly when it involves an issue as sensitive as the role of national governments in ICANN.
Dr. Milton L. Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology
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