As a member of the selecting body for one of these positions I am concerned by this statement. What do you mean by Group Leader, please? I thought we were selecting Chairs who will manage the administrative side of consensus process. Instead, I regularly get the perception, both from some of the 'leadership' and from some of the 'led' that this is seen to be a CEO type role. I don't think it is. I hate to say this, but I worked for 6 years in a WG on one of the potentially most contentious subject -- the delegation, redelegation and interpretation of policy regarding ccTLDs. The chairman, and vice chair and staff support people worked in a way that the sum of our efforts was vastly greater than the individual contributions, and never (except by occasional subtle encouragement) put forward their personal agendas. I would have preferred to see that approach in this WG and regret that it has not lived up to that fine example, so far. On 30/12/15 04:14, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
Yes, they were selected by our chartering organization not elected by the members of the group. My error. But nonetheless, we, for the most part, have accepted them as the groups leader's.
Hey, but if we want to slow things down even more, we can ask the chartering organizations to pick new leadership, they can come in and reorganize the effort and another year will have passed. (No I do not advocate this)
avri
On 29-Dec-15 18:13, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:
Doesn't the charter say that the co-chairs would be appointed by the chartering organizations at their election/discretion?
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-----Original Message----- From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:el@lisse.na] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 6:02 PM To: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Cc: Lisse Eberhard <directors@omadhina.NET> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Work plan in January
Who elected whom?
I can't find any record of any election, which makes their actions even more deplorable.
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On 29 Dec 2015, at 23:09, Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
The CCWG made the promises. - They were discussed with the group. - Then the leaders we had elected made decisions and the promises in our names. - Then, we did not eject them from leadership for having done so.
I am not condemning us for slipping, just saying we need to figure out how to stop slipping and make and end of it.
I believe are responsible for the commitments made in the name of the group. avri
On 29-Dec-15 13:16, Nigel Roberts wrote: These are promises made by external parties.
It's a well known tactic -- impose an artificial deadline and force through what you want.
On 29/12/15 18:05, Avri Doria wrote:
be legitimate (not always certain of that) it does not mean we haven't slipped on promises. We continue to slip. I think this commits us to do
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