Yes, I have added in that principle in the WP3 document as well. Sent from my iPad On Jul 15, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>> wrote: “For those powers delegated to the staff without board oversight, we do think there should be accountability measures.” Jeff, that formulation is necessary but insufficient. There also may be staff powers where the Board has discretionary oversight but fails to exercise it. And for any staff action that is unfair to a stakeholder or group, or that arguably violates the Bylaws, there should be means of redress. There may well be other potential situations, but that’s what I come up with at the moment. Best, Philip Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Neuman Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 7:53 PM To: James M. Bladel Cc: Accountability Cross Community Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Staff accountability All, Read the document we came up with. We do not go into personnel issues. One of the things we in WP3 ask for is a clear description and delineation between what powers are delegated to the staff and which are reserved for the Board. For those powers delegated to the staff without board oversight, we do think there should be accountability measures. Sent from my iPad On Jul 15, 2015, at 6:22 PM, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>> wrote: I am also reviewing the unredacted report, and share the concerns of many expressed here. That said, I also do not want to go down a path where the Community inserts itself in to the Staff chain of authority, or starts to micro-manage personnel issues. There are other ways to implement Staff Accountability, and I hope we can have a comprehensive discussion of these in Paris. Safe travels to all who are en route. See you there. Thank you, J. ____________ James Bladel GoDaddy On Jul 15, 2015, at 17:05, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, The big question for me is "to what extent can/should the community keep ICANN staff directly accountable". If the board cannot keep the CEO accountable and the CEO in turn cannot keep his/her staff accountable, then i think it is the board that the community should use all its fire-power against while i expect board to perform its "konfu" on the CEO as well. ;-) I am not sure taking ICANN staff directly down the legal/IRP path as suggested will be an healthy thing to do. I think proper means of channelling grievances between a/some community member and staff needs to happen through the appropriate organisational hierarchy and the leadership of the organisation should ensure justice is done...i don't think such process should be lead by the community. Regards On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Kieren McCarthy <kieren@kierenmccarthy.com<mailto:kieren@kierenmccarthy.com>> wrote: One of the key things that Strickling mentioned in his accountability blog post was that this group needed to devise accountability mechanisms for ICANN's staff. There is a great example this week of how the staff currently lives outside any form of effective accountability in the unredacted version of the .Africa IRP decision. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/15/icann_dot_africa_review/ Not only did ICANN staff - its head of operations, no less - intervene in favor of one applicant over another, but when that fact was repeatedly referenced in what is supposed to be an independent review report, the staff decided they would remove that information before the report was published. This is a culture of impunity. What I would like to see introduced to ICANN is the ability to call for hearings/inquiries into issues. Similar to how Congress can hold inquiries into something, compel witnesses to appear, compel the release of information, fact-find and produce a report. Having read all the various legal advice provided by the independent legal experts, it strikes me that the ability for the community to establish such an inquiry and then compel witnesses and evidence to appear is not difficult to set up. 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