Dear all, Let me state formally that I do not recognize nor support Mr. Lisse’s complaint and that, although unnecessary in my opinion, I find Mr. Arasteh’s explanation quite sufficient. May I call on Mr. Lisse to focus on our tasks at hand and suggest that, also content- and process wise, verbally and in writing, we all do our utmost to "Be conservative in what we send and liberal in what we receive” Regards, Roelof Meijer From: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>> Date: vrijdag 16 januari 2015 09:34 To: Eberhard Lisse <el@lisse.na<mailto:el@lisse.na>> Cc: Lisse Eberhard <directors@omadhina.net<mailto:directors@omadhina.net>>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Level of Discourse / Rules of Order Dear Doctor, 1.Thank you very much for your comment. 2.The connection problem stemmed from wrong information provided by hotel operator on telephone number to be dialed .After I indicated the name of the hotel, ICANN staff very kindly identified the correct number and I was connected after a long waiting time and desperate efforts for situation that neither me nor the adobe connection praetor were to be criticized 3.,However,once connected , the communication quality was very poor and for most of the time I did not hear properly the discussion and had to repeat the points that I wished to raise. If due to the circumstances mentioned I inadvertently disrupted the chair or due the poor quality of the communication had to speak loudly, I regret for that and inform that in no way was intentional or willful to do so. 4. I remember that we two have had some point of disagreement in our previous e-mail exchange. However, I do not think that such disagreements on points should result in the statement that you have made the tone and language of which is not friendly . Regards Kavouss 2015-01-15 23:46 GMT+01:00 Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na<mailto:el@lisse.na>>: Dear Co-Chairs, I wish to file a formal complaint about the disorder during the last telephone call and demand that this be dealt with forthwith. After an apparent technical issue regarding Mr Arasteh, having being allegedly repeatedly phoned under an incorrect number, when he finally connected to the bridge he raised his voice and repeatedly interrupted the chair, while not having the floor/having been recognized. In 25 year of dealing with this stuff I have never experienced an outburst like the one displayed by the ICG Liaison and Participant. It is furthermore disturbing to me since the gentleman is a professional negotiator of 40 years experience and a GAC representative. I also believe that such conduct is unacceptable under ICANN's rules of behavior but in any case it is not acceptable to me and I demand that steps are taken to prevent this from happening again. Non withstanding the above I suppose an investigation into the allegations of him being unable to be contacted might be in order, and I for one look forward into find out what actually happened and what can be done to prevent this from happening again, if anything. That said, I notice with alarming regularly issues with individuals being unable to access Adobe Connect and/or connecting to the call. This is equally disturbing and hence I would appreciate if this could be looked into as well. I for one am setting aside some time on TechDay on Monday of the ICANN meeting in Singapore, for an Adobe Workshop of sorts, where we could among other issues demonstrate how one can not only listen but also speak (directly) through the net, ie without requiring a dial in/out. Then there is the possibility to use Skype's dial out which works, free of charge to US based toll free numbers. Finally, I use a privately owned Asterix switchboard via a (Bria 3) soft-phone on my Mac to dial a UK based toll free number, which works extremely well with very little bandwidth from (the developing country) Namibia. I have asked Bart Boswinkel a while back to look into setting up SIP access of sort, I could envisage an Asterix server which only allows the dialing of toll free numbers (related to ICANN work). I have not heard back from him, yet. This is not meant as criticism, in particular not of the chairs, who have been bending over backwards in order to be inclusive. greetings, el _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community