Dear co-chairs, After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently. Best, Roelof Meijer From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com<mailto:contact@httpscard.com>>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack Michael, I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions. The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity. For example: I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace. Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu "Conference Agenda Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency 21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)" Ron ________________________________ From: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com<mailto:contact@httpscard.com>>; To: <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>>; Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM As I 'm french and I live in Paris, I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday... My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families. We will never forget and never forgive! Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<javascript:return> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
+1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace. On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote:
Dear co-chairs,
After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently.
Best,
Roelof Meijer
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org');>> on behalf of "accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>
Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ron.baione@yahoo.com');>> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','contact@httpscard.com');>>, " accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
Michael,
I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.
For example:
I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace.
Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu
"Conference Agenda
Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency
21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University
Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)"
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card < contact@httpscard.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','contact@httpscard.com');>>; *To: *<accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>>;
*Subject: *[CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack *Sent: *Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM
As I 'm french and I live in Paris,
I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday...
My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
We will never forget and never forgive!
Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives. Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> wrote: +1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace. On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl<mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl>> wrote: Dear co-chairs, After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently. Best, Roelof Meijer From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org');>> on behalf of "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ron.baione@yahoo.com');>> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','contact@httpscard.com');>>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack Michael, I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions. The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity. For example: I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace. Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu "Conference Agenda Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency 21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)" Ron ________________________________ From: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','contact@httpscard.com');>>; To: <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>>; Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM As I 'm french and I live in Paris, I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday... My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families. We will never forget and never forgive! Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
Roelof, Greg and Megan: Your invented astonishment at your own false reinterpretation of my relevant, sourced and researched response to Michael's topic, and your general lack of want to help create a better whistleblower process for ICANN, would be more offensive if your fake astonishment was genuine. Regards, Ron
Ron, This is completely unacceptable and incredibly offensive. You will no longer be able to post to this Group's list on a permanent basis. It is very disappointing that having been given a second chance to contribute constructively you have clearly gone off any limits of decency and compassion. Your messages to the list are simply outrageous. Staff, please suspend this person's ability to post to this or any other CCWG related list permanently. Saludos, León
El 14/11/2015, a las 8:04 p.m., Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> escribió:
Roelof, Greg and Megan:
Your invented astonishment at your own false reinterpretation of my relevant, sourced and researched response to Michael's topic, and your general lack of want to help create a better whistleblower process for ICANN, would be more offensive if your fake astonishment was genuine.
Regards,
Ron
From: Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu <Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu>; To: <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; Cc: <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Mr. Baione Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:10:33 PM
Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives.
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors
On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
+1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace.
On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote: Dear co-chairs,
After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently.
Best,
Roelof Meijer
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
Michael,
I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.
For example:
I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace.
Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu
"Conference Agenda
Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency
21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University
Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)"
Ron
From: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com>; To: <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM
As I 'm french and I live in Paris,
I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday...
My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
We will never forget and never forgive!
Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
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Phony astonishment at a well sourced email response offering a solution to a relevant topic... is your strategy to get me banned from the group. You don't want to fix or discuss the whistleblower process, let's solve ICANN's problems like adults, not like the fake astonished. Ron
Leon, instead of making broad, unsupported, general claims like a king, why don't you articulate a specific argument against my email supporting specific claims, like an intellectual. You are too busy setting up ICANN meetings at IGF conferences to "finalize ICANN proposal drafting by whomever can make it.". The future of the internet is in good hands folks,with knee jerk reactions to mob-rule mentality and a total lack of reason. Ron
King Leon, stick to setting up unauthorized meetings at IGF conferences, an infraction that should have caused you to be recalled from your position, by the way. You are going to tell me what is offensive without being at all specific? You don't even know that you can't finalize a draft at an unauthorized conference, and it took you weeks to walk back that mistake. Maybe you can log in to icann learn with your IOS 6.0 Ipad or greater and figure out how to lead this group to a completed NTIA proposal, the last 20 days there have been over 300 emails on this list and zero progress, nice work. 20 years since Bill Clinton asked for a strategy and still, year after year, ICANN is without a transition strategy. Milk the golden cow. Ron
Chris, In your role as ombudsman I request that the procedure to remove Mr Ron Baoine form this list be initiated in conjunction with our co-chairs. Tai behaviour is despicable and has no place in our discussions at ICANN, MR Baoine has been the subject of multiple complaints and warnings and it is now time for yourself and the cochairs to act. From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione@yahoo.com>> Date: Saturday 14 November 2015 at 7:04 p.m. To: accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fake astonishment towards a false interpretation Roelof, Greg and Megan: Your invented astonishment at your own false reinterpretation of my relevant, sourced and researched response to Michael's topic, and your general lack of want to help create a better whistleblower process for ICANN, would be more offensive if your fake astonishment was genuine. Regards, Ron ________________________________ From: Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu<mailto:Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu> <Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu<mailto:Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu>>; To: <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>; Cc: <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>>; Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Mr. Baione Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:10:33 PM Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives. Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<javascript:return>> wrote: +1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace. On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl<javascript:return>> wrote: Dear co-chairs, After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently. Best, Roelof Meijer From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack Michael, I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions. The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity. For example: I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace. Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu "Conference Agenda Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency 21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)" Ron ________________________________ From: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com>; To: <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM As I 'm french and I live in Paris, I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday... My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families. We will never forget and never forgive! Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org<javascript:return> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
Your accusation that my reaction to your post is "fake" and "invented is insulting in the extreme. I have already had one friend lose a colleague in the atrocities, and learned that a close family friend would have been at the Bataclan last night but for a change of plans. I assure you that my reaction to your post as a response to a message about the Paris attacks is completely and utterly genuine. To say that I and my colleagues have done something offensive borders on the deeply disturbed. I don't know what sick game you've come here to play, or what "cheap thrill" you get out of your interventions, but it has no place here. We have work to do. I hope that our co-chairs and the Ombudsman will take swift and permanent action to ban Mr. Baione. Indeed, I would go so far as to suggest a ban from all ICANN working groups, as he is clearly incorrigible. On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> wrote:
Roelof, Greg and Megan:
Your invented astonishment at your own false reinterpretation of my relevant, sourced and researched response to Michael's topic, and your general lack of want to help create a better whistleblower process for ICANN, would be more offensive if your fake astonishment was genuine.
Regards,
Ron
------------------------------ * From: * Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu <Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu>; * To: * <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; * Cc: * <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; * Subject: * Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Mr. Baione * Sent: * Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:10:33 PM
Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives.
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors
On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
+1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace.
On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote:
Dear co-chairs,
After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently.
Best,
Roelof Meijer
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of " accountability-cross-community@icann.org" < accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" < accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
Michael,
I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.
For example:
I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace.
Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu
"Conference Agenda
Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency
21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University
Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)"
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card < contact@httpscard.com>; *To: *<accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; *Subject: *[CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack *Sent: *Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM
As I 'm french and I live in Paris,
I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday...
My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
We will never forget and never forgive!
Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
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In that there is something approaching full consensus. -- Paul Sent from myMail app for Android Saturday, 14 November 2015, 05:28PM -05:00 from Greg Shatan < gregshatanipc@gmail.com> :
Your accusation that my reaction to your post is "fake" and "invented is insulting in the extreme. I have already had one friend lose a colleague in the atrocities, and learned that a close family friend would have been at the Bataclan last night but for a change of plans. I assure you that my reaction to your post as a response to a message about the Paris attacks is completely and utterly genuine.
To say that I and my colleagues have done something offensive borders on the deeply disturbed.
I don't know what sick game you've come here to play, or what "cheap thrill" you get out of your interventions, but it has no place here. We have work to do.
I hope that our co-chairs and the Ombudsman will take swift and permanent action to ban Mr. Baione. Indeed, I would go so far as to suggest a ban from all ICANN working groups, as he is clearly incorrigible.
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community < accountability-cross-community@icann.org > wrote:
Roelof, Greg and Megan:
Your invented astonishment at your own false reinterpretation of my relevant, sourced and researched response to Michael's topic, and your general lack of want to help create a better whistleblower process for ICANN, would be more offensive if your fake astonishment was genuine.
Regards,
Ron
---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu < Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu >; To: < gregshatanipc@gmail.com >; Cc: < accountability-cross-community@icann.org >; Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Mr. Baione Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:10:33 PM
Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives.
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors
On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan < gregshatanipc@gmail.com > wrote:
+1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace.
On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer < Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl > wrote:
Dear co-chairs,
After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He ha s obviously no intention at all to behave differently.
Best,
Roelof Meijer
From: < accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org > on behalf of " accountability-cross-community@icann.org " < accountability-cross-community@icann.org > Reply-To: Ron Baione < ron.baione@yahoo.com > Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card < contact@httpscard.com >, " accountability-cross-community@icann.org " < accountability-cross-community@icann.org > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
Michael,
I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.
For example:
I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace.
Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu
"Conference Agenda
Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency 21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)"
Ron
---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card < contact@httpscard.com >; To: < accountability-cross-community@icann.org >; Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM
As I 'm french and I live in Paris,
I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday...
My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
We will never forget and never forgive!
Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
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As previously stated, your fake astonishment is based on a purposeful false interpretation of my email, claiming falsely, on purpose that my proposal was going to lead to world peace. Re-read the original email, and stop your fraudulent act in an effort to get me banned. My post was a respectful expansion on the original topic, tying it to ICANN's needed solutions, and the purposeful over-reaction by my "detractors" on this email list is akin to a bunch of whining complainers who want to kick someone out of group because they don't want to fix the problem being discussed, ICANN's flawed whistleblower system which won't be accepted by the U.S. Congress as is. Your "gang" has worked hard to paint me as some sort of scoundrel from day one, and I have been offering respectful solutions and comments in the face of constant fake nonsense. But, since the group has already made up its mind to be swayed by theatrics, instead of reading what was written, I advise you to calm down and act like adults. Ron
Care to articulate what exactly it is that you found offensive? Or is that the extent of your revisionism and manufactured hysteria? Your so-called 'objections' were very vague, stating that my response was "in the face of tragedy", but how so? Can you place your argument against my email into a coherent sentence or even a paragraph, with specific references? No, you can't, because your fake astonishment is a laughable joke, built upon each successive vague objection. 10 vague objections toned of phony astonishment does not one specific, well thought out objection make. Trying to have an intellectual discussion on this mailing list may actually be impossible in my opinion. The last 15 days worth of emails have been fun to read, everyone talking past each other, nothing getting accomplished. Ron
I'm done feeding the troll. He seems to be self-sustaining (or self-immolating) anyway. On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> wrote:
Care to articulate what exactly it is that you found offensive? Or is that the extent of your revisionism and manufactured hysteria? Your so-called 'objections' were very vague, stating that my response was "in the face of tragedy", but how so? Can you place your argument against my email into a coherent sentence or even a paragraph, with specific references? No, you can't, because your fake astonishment is a laughable joke, built upon each successive vague objection.
10 vague objections toned of phony astonishment does not one specific, well thought out objection make.
Trying to have an intellectual discussion on this mailing list may actually be impossible in my opinion. The last 15 days worth of emails have been fun to read, everyone talking past each other, nothing getting accomplished.
Ron
------------------------------ * From: * Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu');> < Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu');>>; * To: * <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc@gmail.com');>>; * Cc: * <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>>;
* Subject: * Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Mr. Baione * Sent: * Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:10:33 PM
Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives.
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors
On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
+1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace.
On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote:
Dear co-chairs,
After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently.
Best,
Roelof Meijer
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of " accountability-cross-community@icann.org" < accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" < accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
Michael,
I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.
For example:
I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace.
Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu
"Conference Agenda
Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency
21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University
Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)"
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card < contact@httpscard.com>; *To: *<accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; *Subject: *[CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack *Sent: *Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM
As I 'm french and I live in Paris,
I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday...
My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
We will never forget and never forgive!
Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
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Translation: Greg's revision of my email and subsequent pretendism didn't work, folks. Embarrassing. Ron
Articulate your objection Greg. You disrupted a valid and important discussion of WS2 issues. Who is the real troll? Look at megan's email, it doesn't even make grammatical sense. ICANN needs people who can make specific arguments, not vague whiners who try to generate manufacturered hysteria for King Leon with his phony generalized decrees. Ron
As I said, I'm done feeding the troll. Translation: no matter how provocative, offensive or outrageous you get, I'm not taking the bait. Knock yourself out. On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> wrote:
Articulate your objection Greg. You disrupted a valid and important discussion of WS2 issues. Who is the real troll? Look at megan's email, it doesn't even make grammatical sense. ICANN needs people who can make specific arguments, not vague whiners who try to generate manufacturered hysteria for King Leon with his phony generalized decrees.
Ron
------------------------------ * From: * Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc@gmail.com');>>; * To: * Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ron.baione@yahoo.com');>>; * Cc: * accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');>>;
* Subject: * Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Phony Hysteria used to exclude the disliked * Sent: * Sun, Nov 15, 2015 1:49:01 AM
I'm done feeding the troll. He seems to be self-sustaining (or self-immolating) anyway.
On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Ron Baione via Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> wrote:
Care to articulate what exactly it is that you found offensive? Or is that the extent of your revisionism and manufactured hysteria? Your so-called 'objections' were very vague, stating that my response was "in the face of tragedy", but how so? Can you place your argument against my email into a coherent sentence or even a paragraph, with specific references? No, you can't, because your fake astonishment is a laughable joke, built upon each successive vague objection.
10 vague objections toned of phony astonishment does not one specific, well thought out objection make.
Trying to have an intellectual discussion on this mailing list may actually be impossible in my opinion. The last 15 days worth of emails have been fun to read, everyone talking past each other, nothing getting accomplished.
Ron
------------------------------ * From: * Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu <Megan.Richards@ec.europa.eu>; * To: * <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; * Cc: * <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; * Subject: * Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Mr. Baione * Sent: * Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:10:33 PM
Indeed. Agree with Roelof, Greg and I suspect all others who find this inappropriate and offensive in the face of such wanton destruction of human lives.
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typing errors
On 14 Nov 2015, at 18:06, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
+1. It 's bizarre and offensive for this to be posted in response to the atrocities in Paris, on the slender connection that an external whistleblower process for ICANN could lead to world peace.
On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl> wrote:
Dear co-chairs,
After having looked at both the subject and the content, I strongly suggest that Mr. Baione’s “come-back” is followed by a second but now definite expulsion from the list. He has obviously no intention at all to behave differently.
Best,
Roelof Meijer
From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of " accountability-cross-community@icann.org" < accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Reply-To: Ron Baione <ron.baione@yahoo.com> Date: zaterdag 14 november 2015 15:59 To: Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card <contact@httpscard.com>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" < accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack
Michael,
I have been asking for the creation of an external whistleblower process to be added to workstream 2 discussions.
The hopeful addition of an external whistleblower process in WorkStream 2 can be an additional and useful support line for the providing of important information from ICANN members to legally designated human rights organizations, so that if ICANN members feel pressured or intimidated in any way after the transition process is completed, multiple support mechanisms can be available, included into ICANN's transition proposal, and acting as a deterrance to all nefarious activity.
For example:
I am a hypothetical board member and in the post transition process someone tries to influence my ICANN votes and decisions with various intimidation tactics such as blackmail, instead of calling the current ICANN whisleblower "phone-line" or one of the entities listed above, I could instead call one of five randomly selected human rights organizations to get the word out to the greater internet community, a legally sanctioned process which would prevent an over-reliance on websites like "wikileaks". Such a deterrant to nefarious activity could last for as many decades as it takes to achieve world peace.
Here is a link to the speeches and agenda from the recent 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency on October 27, 2015. These speeches are given by relevant and supporting experts who make up one prominent line of support against nefarious activity, experts speak from the United States and elsewhere, speeches which I believe lend indirect support for additional legal whistleblower support mechanisms, as I have proposed:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-bQ6_vfcE0793TlEHtB-5UAGltlwJrRu
"Conference Agenda
Opening Remarks [9:00am - 9:20am] John Brennan, Director, Central Intelligence Agency
21st Century Challenges: Denied Areas, Digital Domains, and Determined Adversaries [9:20am-10:20am] Gwen Ifill (moderator) - Moderator and Managing editor of Washington Week; Co-Anchor and Managing Editor, PBS NewsHour John Brennan - Director, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Adm. Mike Rogers - Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency (NSA), Chief, Central Security Service Robert Cardillo - Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Doug Wise - Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) 21st Century Warning: What Should Policymakers Reasonably Expect? [10:20am-11:20am] David Cohen (Moderator) - Deputy Director, CIA Michèle Flournoy - Co-Founder and CEO, Center for a New American Security; Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (former) Chris Kojm - Visiting Professor, Practice of International Affairs, The George Washington University Gregory Treverton - Chairman, National Intelligence Council (NIC) Remarks [1:00pm - 1:05pm] Dr. Steven Knapp - President, The George Washington University
Keynote Address [1:05pm - 1:30pm] James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence
Bridging 20th Century Law and 21st Century Intelligence [1:30pm - 2:30pm] Ken Wainstein (Moderator) - Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP; Homeland Security Advisor, White House (former) Orin Kerr - Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law, The George Washington University Caroline Krass - General Counsel, CIA David Kris - General Counsel, Intellectual Ventures; Assistant Attorney General for National Security (former) Benjamin Wittes - Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings Institution 21st Century Intelligence Officers: What Capabilities Do They Need to Fulfill the Mission? [2:30pm - 3:30pm] Dr. Mike Vickers (Moderator) - Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (former) Glenn Gaffney - Associate Director for Talent, CIA Evan Burfield - Co-Founder and Co-CEO, 1776 Diana Burley - Executive Director and Chair, Institute for Information Infrastructure Protection (I3P); Professor, Human and Organizational Learning, The George Washington University Andrew Hallman - Deputy Director, Digital Innovation, CIA The Shared 21st Century International Mission - Partners in Security [4:00pm - 5:00pm] David Ignatius (Moderator) - Associate Editor and Columnist, The Washington Post Yaakov Amirdror - Anne and Greg Rosshandler Senior Fellow, Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies; Distinguished Fellow, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Israeli National Security Advisor (former) Bernard Bajolet - Director, French Directorate General for External Security (DGSE) John Brennan - Director, CIA John Sawers - Partner and Chairman, Macro Advisory Partners; Chief, Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) (former) Closing Remarks [5:00pm - 5:20pm] Judge William Webster, Director CIA (former), Director Federal Bureau of Investigation (former)"
Ron
------------------------------ *From: *Contact - Https Card - Internet Identity Card < contact@httpscard.com>; *To: *<accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; *Subject: *[CCWG-ACCT] Paris Terrorist Attack *Sent: *Sat, Nov 14, 2015 2:18:06 PM
As I 'm french and I live in Paris,
I would like to thank all the people who support us after the terrorist attacks yesterday...
My heart and my thoughts are with all the victims and their families.
We will never forget and never forgive!
Michael Benaudis President Https Card - Internet Identity Card https://www.internetidentitycard.com Official IIC: https://www.httpscard.com/michaelbenaudis/ _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
_______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
The relationship between trolling and the Dark Tetrad is so significant that the authors write in their paper: "... the associations between sadism and GAIT (Global Assessment of Internet Trolling) scores were so strong that it might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists." "Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground!" See Buckels, Erin E., Paul D. Trapnell, and Delroy L. Paulhus. "Trolls just want to have fun." Personality and Individual Differences67 (2014): 97-102. quoted by Psychology Today at https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-tro...
Nigel, Please post the language developed so far for the proposal, due in 16 days, which reflects anything about ICANN's whistleblower process. Ron
Aw, good Greg. Now, let's get back to the relevant discussion: Leon, Post the language developed so far in the proposal which references the current ICANN whisleblower process. Best, Ron
participants (8)
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Greg Shatan -
James Gannon -
León Felipe Sánchez Ambía -
Megan.Richards＠ec.europa.eu -
Nigel Roberts -
Paul Rosenzweig -
Roelof Meijer -
Ron Baione