Dear All, I read a message from Parminder which I copy here for those who have not read it. This is an important issue that co-chair needs to consider under item 5 of the Agenda. Regards Kavouss See below Quote *Colleagues,* *Excuse my disappointed tone, but I am unable to get a fix on what direction are we headed right now, or whether we are moving at all .* *We seem to have laid all our hope on some legalistic pursuits, which happen to be of a kind with known outcomes. On one side we have sent out a questionnaire with an exceedingly narrow remit of seeking past occurrences where ICANN's US jurisdiction may have come in conflict with ICANN's working. All of these instances are very widely known and discussed, and whatever inferences each of us makes out of them is what we make out of them. Though these differences and their rationales can be discussed here. There is not going to any case of some guy from deep Indian jungles suddenly coming out with a story of an old illicit liaison with ICANN, which will then open our eyes to something very new. Whom are we kidding, other than ourselves, all the cases that exist are know - quite well known. If we want to, we can discuss them. But this waiting for godot isnt going to be of any use.* *If some people believe that this exercise is going to make us able to say; well, we looked everywhere, and we found no proof that US jurisdiction of ICANN has any (or any substantial) implication for ICANN's policy making processes, that is simply plain silly. That is not going to happen. Our differences here are not about some unknown historical facts, but about facts that we all mutually know, and our respective inferences from them. * *Similarly, we have referred to ICANN legal issues of jurisdiction and jurisprudence that are so obvious and simple that even a non lawyer like me is pretty clear about them. In any case, there is enough literature out there on how courts exercise jurisdiction, and what trumps what, and so on. There is no way that this exercise is going to come up with some kind of proof that US jurisdiction is only as much applicable over ICANN as any other jurisdiction, or that even if ICANN was incorporated elsewhere, or had judicial immunity, the US jurisdiction will still have same kind of powers over ICANN as it does now. * *I think we should stop shadow boxing, and get on with real tasks. * *IMHO, this group is mostly not able to decide what to do, knowing that the differences of opinions (and excuse me to say, interests) are very wide, and also very basic. And therefore we are simply trying to look like keeping busy. I dont think this is a very productive use of people's time. * *Does anyone have any bright idea about how we can wrap this all up...* *parminder"* 2017-03-28 19:36 GMT+02:00 Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>:

All,

Here is the agenda for the Wednesday ​29 March 1300 plenary.

Adobe room as usual is https://participate.icann.org/accountability

Agenda:

1. Introduction, update to SOIs, reminder on standards of behavior

2. Review of Agenda

3. Administration

- Staffing changes - Review of action items from previous meeting - DashBoard data and completion dates. - Status on open public comments.

4. Legal Committee Update

- Jurisdiction sub-group questions to ICANN Legal.

5. Updates/Presentation from sub-groups

- SOAC Accountability - Second reading (updated document) - Diversity Questionnaire - Second reading (updated document)

6. Next Plenary

- Wednesday 12 April 1900UTC - Documents due 5 April 23:59UTC

7. AOB

8. Adjournment

Bernard Turcotte ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-Ws2

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Please note my apologies for missing this meeting (due to a prior commitment to a f2f one...) kind regards Jorge ________________________________ Von: Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com> Datum: 28. März 2017 um 19:37:27 MESZ An: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Betreff: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability-Meeting-20170329 Agenda All, Here is the agenda for the Wednesday ​29 March 1300 plenary. Adobe room as usual is https://participate.icann.org/accountability Agenda: 1. Introduction, update to SOIs, reminder on standards of behavior 2. Review of Agenda 3. Administration * Staffing changes * Review of action items from previous meeting * DashBoard data and completion dates. * Status on open public comments. 4. Legal Committee Update * Jurisdiction sub-group questions to ICANN Legal. 5. Updates/Presentation from sub-groups * SOAC Accountability - Second reading (updated document) * Diversity Questionnaire - Second reading (updated document) 6. Next Plenary * Wednesday 12 April 1900UTC * Documents due 5 April 23:59UTC 7. AOB 8. Adjournment Bernard Turcotte ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-Ws2