Dear all, In anticipation of your call#74<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986616> - Tuesday, 5 January from 19:00-22:00 UTC (time converter<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+ACCT+Meeting&i...>), please find below a proposed agenda: 1. Welcome, Roll Call, SoI 2. Update from Chartering Organizations 3. Global Public Interest (GPI) 4. January Work plan discussions and overarching agenda (see attached) 5. Recommendation 12: Work Stream 2 (see attached) 6. Recommendation 4: Board removal liability mitigation (see attached) 7. Marrakech - ICANN 55 8. A.O.B Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/ Thanks and Happy 2016 to all! Best regards Alice
Thank you very much for the message. 1. You need to have a precise time management for each item 2. You have selected Rec. 12 and 4 for discussion . 2.1 In my view Rec. 12 ,work stream 2 may have less priority than other Rec. 2.2 How would you wish to proceed in examining these two Recs.,I did suggest that a working document containing all comments received , including those from the ICANN 2016-01-04 9:29 GMT+01:00 Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org>:
Dear all,
In anticipation of your call#74 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986616> – Tuesday, 5 January from 19:00-22:00 UTC (time converter <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+ACCT+Meeting&i...>), please find below a proposed agenda:
1. Welcome, Roll Call, SoI 2. Update from Chartering Organizations 3. Global Public Interest (GPI) 4. January Work plan discussions and overarching agenda (see attached) 5. Recommendation 12: Work Stream 2 (see attached) 6. Recommendation 4: Board removal liability mitigation (see attached) 7. Marrakech – ICANN 55 8. A.O.B
Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/
Thanks and Happy 2016 to all!
Best regards
Alice
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À *Thomas*, *Mathieu*, *León*, Alice, Accountability Thank you very much for the message. 1. You need to have a precise time management for each item 2. You have selected Rec. 12 and 4 for discussion . 2.1 In my view Rec. 12 ,work stream 2 may have less priority than other Rec. 2.2 How would you wish to proceed in examining these two Recs.,I did suggest that a working document containing all comments received , including those from the ICANN..I proposed some days ago that a working document containing all comments to a given Rec. including those from the ICANN Board be included in that consolidated working document .However, it seems to me that you do not listen to anyone else but only to your own . Please do not insist on your own views 3. I also do not know what is the strategy to discuss the GPI.If you want to push to have a definition , is it totally counter productive .If you wish to have a very high level narrow description of GPI, it may have some results. 4. I wish to reiterate that the ICANN bOARD COMMENTS SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED WITH SOME PRIORITY Regards 2016-01-04 10:55 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>:
Thank you very much for the message. 1. You need to have a precise time management for each item 2. You have selected Rec. 12 and 4 for discussion . 2.1 In my view Rec. 12 ,work stream 2 may have less priority than other Rec. 2.2 How would you wish to proceed in examining these two Recs.,I did suggest that a working document containing all comments received , including those from the ICANN
2016-01-04 9:29 GMT+01:00 Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org>:
Dear all,
In anticipation of your call#74 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986616> – Tuesday, 5 January from 19:00-22:00 UTC (time converter <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+ACCT+Meeting&i...>), please find below a proposed agenda:
1. Welcome, Roll Call, SoI 2. Update from Chartering Organizations 3. Global Public Interest (GPI) 4. January Work plan discussions and overarching agenda (see attached) 5. Recommendation 12: Work Stream 2 (see attached) 6. Recommendation 4: Board removal liability mitigation (see attached) 7. Marrakech – ICANN 55 8. A.O.B
Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/
Thanks and Happy 2016 to all!
Best regards
Alice
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Dear Kavouss, Tijani, Seun, Colleagues, The lack of timing information was indeed an oversight. Apologies and please see below in the agenda for these indications. Considering that the Analysis of Comments is scheduled for January 7th, we have intentionally focused our first call on less contentious issues. We can also use this initial session to refine our approach and feedback will be welcome. The working documents were attached to Alice’s initial email, and include a summary of the main comments received. On top of each of the recommendation document, you will find an outline of the key discussion points, designed to guide the discussion. For example, on recommendation 12, key discussion points identified are : 1. Confirm with group and Board that clarifications to Interim Bylaw (about WS2 recommendations considered the same way as WS1 by Board) are ok (was a lack of clarity) 2. Discuss timeframe (end 16 / Mid 17) based on realistic assumptions 3. Decide whether timeframe should be a deadline 4. Confirm relevance of enhancing Ombudman's role and function and, if need be, clarify topics considered I hope this helps. Best Mathieu PS: thanks for the early comments on the working methods, which we will address during the call 2016-01-04 9:29 GMT+01:00 Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org>: Dear all, In anticipation of your call#74 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986616> – Tuesday, 5 January from 19:00-22:00 UTC (time converter <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+ACCT+Meeting&i...> ), please find below a proposed agenda: 1. Welcome, Roll Call, SoI – 5’ 2. Update from Chartering Organizations – 15’ 3. Global Public Interest (GPI) – 15’ 4. January Work plan discussions and overarching agenda (see attached) – 30’ 5. Recommendation 12: Work Stream 2 (see attached) – 45’ 6. Recommendation 4: Board removal liability mitigation (see attached) – 45’ 7. Marrakech – ICANN 55 – 15’ 8. A.O.B – 10’ Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/ Thanks and Happy 2016 to all! Best regards Alice _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
Dear Mathueu, La lust liste des points a discuter n' est pas complete. Il y a beaucoips de choses qui manquent Salutations Kavousd Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2016, at 08:35, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> wrote:
Dear Kavouss, Tijani, Seun, Colleagues,
The lack of timing information was indeed an oversight. Apologies and please see below in the agenda for these indications.
Considering that the Analysis of Comments is scheduled for January 7th, we have intentionally focused our first call on less contentious issues. We can also use this initial session to refine our approach and feedback will be welcome.
The working documents were attached to Alice’s initial email, and include a summary of the main comments received. On top of each of the recommendation document, you will find an outline of the key discussion points, designed to guide the discussion.
For example, on recommendation 12, key discussion points identified are : Confirm with group and Board that clarifications to Interim Bylaw (about WS2 recommendations considered the same way as WS1 by Board) are ok (was a lack of clarity) Discuss timeframe (end 16 / Mid 17) based on realistic assumptions Decide whether timeframe should be a deadline Confirm relevance of enhancing Ombudman's role and function and, if need be, clarify topics considered I hope this helps.
Best Mathieu PS: thanks for the early comments on the working methods, which we will address during the call
2016-01-04 9:29 GMT+01:00 Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org>: Dear all,
In anticipation of your call#74 – Tuesday, 5 January from 19:00-22:00 UTC (time converter), please find below a proposed agenda: 1. Welcome, Roll Call, SoI – 5’ 2. Update from Chartering Organizations – 15’ 3. Global Public Interest (GPI) – 15’ 4. January Work plan discussions and overarching agenda (see attached) – 30’ 5. Recommendation 12: Work Stream 2 (see attached) – 45’ 6. Recommendation 4: Board removal liability mitigation (see attached) – 45’ 7. Marrakech – ICANN 55 – 15’ 8. A.O.B – 10’ Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/
Thanks and Happy 2016 to all!
Best regards
Alice
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Hi Mathieu, My remark was about the consensus assessment. I hope it is corrected. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 5 janv. 2016 à 08:35, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> a écrit :
Dear Kavouss, Tijani, Seun, Colleagues,
The lack of timing information was indeed an oversight. Apologies and please see below in the agenda for these indications.
Considering that the Analysis of Comments is scheduled for January 7th, we have intentionally focused our first call on less contentious issues. We can also use this initial session to refine our approach and feedback will be welcome.
The working documents were attached to Alice’s initial email, and include a summary of the main comments received. On top of each of the recommendation document, you will find an outline of the key discussion points, designed to guide the discussion.
For example, on recommendation 12, key discussion points identified are : Confirm with group and Board that clarifications to Interim Bylaw (about WS2 recommendations considered the same way as WS1 by Board) are ok (was a lack of clarity) Discuss timeframe (end 16 / Mid 17) based on realistic assumptions Decide whether timeframe should be a deadline Confirm relevance of enhancing Ombudman's role and function and, if need be, clarify topics considered I hope this helps.
Best Mathieu PS: thanks for the early comments on the working methods, which we will address during the call
2016-01-04 9:29 GMT+01:00 Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org <mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org>>: Dear all,
In anticipation of your call#74 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986616> – Tuesday, 5 January from 19:00-22:00 UTC (time converter <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+ACCT+Meeting&i...>), please find below a proposed agenda: 1. Welcome, Roll Call, SoI – 5’ 2. Update from Chartering Organizations – 15’ 3. Global Public Interest (GPI) – 15’ 4. January Work plan discussions and overarching agenda (see attached) – 30’ 5. Recommendation 12: Work Stream 2 (see attached) – 45’ 6. Recommendation 4: Board removal liability mitigation (see attached) – 45’ 7. Marrakech – ICANN 55 – 15’ 8. A.O.B – 10’ Link to Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability>/
Thanks and Happy 2016 to all!
Best regards
Alice
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Dear Mathieu Dear Thomas Dear Leon Pls note that your role to reach a possible agreement or consensus is very vital Pls then forget about your own position . You need to have a reconciliatory role to push for a consensus. We are not going yo accept all comments as they would be considered based on their merits snd weight and the amount of support that associated with . As for the Board , we also need to consider their influential values and thus try to negotiate with their formal spokesman. We should do our best without being influence by right or left This is very important We are not in stage of confrontation with them but wish to work with them Regards Kavousd . .
I have a conflict at 21:30 UTC and will need to miss the last half-hour of the call. If the timings hold true, I should be able to participate in all but the Marrakech and AOB portions of the call. Please accept my partial apology (1/6 of an apology, pro rated). Greg On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mathieu Dear Thomas Dear Leon Pls note that your role to reach a possible agreement or consensus is very vital Pls then forget about your own position . You need to have a reconciliatory role to push for a consensus. We are not going yo accept all comments as they would be considered based on their merits snd weight and the amount of support that associated with . As for the Board , we also need to consider their influential values and thus try to negotiate with their formal spokesman. We should do our best without being influence by right or left This is very important We are not in stage of confrontation with them but wish to work with them Regards Kavousd .
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I will also likely miss the first part of the call. Matthew On 05/01/2016 15:45, Greg Shatan wrote:
I have a conflict at 21:30 UTC and will need to miss the last half-hour of the call. If the timings hold true, I should be able to participate in all but the Marrakech and AOB portions of the call.
Please accept my partial apology (1/6 of an apology, pro rated).
Greg
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Mathieu Dear Thomas Dear Leon Pls note that your role to reach a possible agreement or consensus is very vital Pls then forget about your own position . You need to have a reconciliatory role to push for a consensus. We are not going yo accept all comments as they would be considered based on their merits snd weight and the amount of support that associated with . As for the Board , we also need to consider their influential values and thus try to negotiate with their formal spokesman. We should do our best without being influence by right or left This is very important We are not in stage of confrontation with them but wish to work with them Regards Kavousd .
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Dear Co-Chair, I wish to reiterate my previous comments that a 3 contineous hours of call is almost inefficient We need to reconsider that as I have suggested to gether with No. of call as well as the deadline. However, for this first call, I SUGGEST TO HAVE 20 MINTS OF PAUSE during the call i.e 2 times 80 mints with 20 mints pause between Regards Kavouss 2016-01-05 16:49 GMT+01:00 Matthew Shears <mshears@cdt.org>:
I will also likely miss the first part of the call.
Matthew
On 05/01/2016 15:45, Greg Shatan wrote:
I have a conflict at 21:30 UTC and will need to miss the last half-hour of the call. If the timings hold true, I should be able to participate in all but the Marrakech and AOB portions of the call.
Please accept my partial apology (1/6 of an apology, pro rated).
Greg
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Mathieu Dear Thomas Dear Leon Pls note that your role to reach a possible agreement or consensus is very vital Pls then forget about your own position . You need to have a reconciliatory role to push for a consensus. We are not going yo accept all comments as they would be considered based on their merits snd weight and the amount of support that associated with . As for the Board , we also need to consider their influential values and thus try to negotiate with their formal spokesman. We should do our best without being influence by right or left This is very important We are not in stage of confrontation with them but wish to work with them Regards Kavousd .
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Dear CO-Chair, Pls reconsider the time management to include 20 mints of pause between the two 80 mints call Regards Kavouss 2016-01-05 17:20 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>:
Dear Co-Chair, I wish to reiterate my previous comments that a 3 contineous hours of call is almost inefficient We need to reconsider that as I have suggested to gether with No. of call as well as the deadline. However, for this first call, I SUGGEST TO HAVE 20 MINTS OF PAUSE during the call i.e 2 times 80 mints with 20 mints pause between Regards Kavouss
2016-01-05 16:49 GMT+01:00 Matthew Shears <mshears@cdt.org>:
I will also likely miss the first part of the call.
Matthew
On 05/01/2016 15:45, Greg Shatan wrote:
I have a conflict at 21:30 UTC and will need to miss the last half-hour of the call. If the timings hold true, I should be able to participate in all but the Marrakech and AOB portions of the call.
Please accept my partial apology (1/6 of an apology, pro rated).
Greg
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kavouss Arasteh < kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mathieu Dear Thomas Dear Leon Pls note that your role to reach a possible agreement or consensus is very vital Pls then forget about your own position . You need to have a reconciliatory role to push for a consensus. We are not going yo accept all comments as they would be considered based on their merits snd weight and the amount of support that associated with . As for the Board , we also need to consider their influential values and thus try to negotiate with their formal spokesman. We should do our best without being influence by right or left This is very important We are not in stage of confrontation with them but wish to work with them Regards Kavousd .
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Dear Co-Chairs, I do not know how many message I sent you either off list or on list making various suggestions on wroking methods and process efficiencies. I read the Board's dcomments, Sometimes they referred texts in the main Body of the 3rd Proposal and sometimes a given paragraph of the concerned/ corresponding Recommendation. Please read their comments on Rec. 4 which is on the agenda of today. Bruce or Cherine need to clarify the matter. Regards Kavouss 2016-01-05 17:29 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>:
Dear CO-Chair, Pls reconsider the time management to include 20 mints of pause between the two 80 mints call Regards Kavouss
2016-01-05 17:20 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>:
Dear Co-Chair, I wish to reiterate my previous comments that a 3 contineous hours of call is almost inefficient We need to reconsider that as I have suggested to gether with No. of call as well as the deadline. However, for this first call, I SUGGEST TO HAVE 20 MINTS OF PAUSE during the call i.e 2 times 80 mints with 20 mints pause between Regards Kavouss
2016-01-05 16:49 GMT+01:00 Matthew Shears <mshears@cdt.org>:
I will also likely miss the first part of the call.
Matthew
On 05/01/2016 15:45, Greg Shatan wrote:
I have a conflict at 21:30 UTC and will need to miss the last half-hour of the call. If the timings hold true, I should be able to participate in all but the Marrakech and AOB portions of the call.
Please accept my partial apology (1/6 of an apology, pro rated).
Greg
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Kavouss Arasteh < kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mathieu Dear Thomas Dear Leon Pls note that your role to reach a possible agreement or consensus is very vital Pls then forget about your own position . You need to have a reconciliatory role to push for a consensus. We are not going yo accept all comments as they would be considered based on their merits snd weight and the amount of support that associated with . As for the Board , we also need to consider their influential values and thus try to negotiate with their formal spokesman. We should do our best without being influence by right or left This is very important We are not in stage of confrontation with them but wish to work with them Regards Kavousd .
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Good morning and happy new year, In the working methods,, and under « Consensus Assessment », you said: "In a rare case, the chair(s) may decide that the use of a poll is reasonable to assess the level of support for a recommendation". As per the CCWG charter, any poll should be done among the members only (the unique difference between members and participants). I propose that you add after the word « poll » the mention « among the CCWG members ». ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Directeur Exécutif Fédération Méditerranéenne des associations d'Internet (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 4 janv. 2016 à 09:29, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> a écrit :
<Rec 4 - Annex with track changes.pdf>
Dear Co-Chairs, Thanks for sharing this important workplan which I think its a good layout for a start. A few comments/questions on the workplan: - Does "No decision to be made in a single meeting" also cover the meeting of second reading? since the second reading can also be regarded as a single meeting, Otherwise there may be no decision made on all the discussions. Considering that each REC is assigned 2 meeting slots, it may be good to indicate that decisions will be made during the second reading but based on discussions from the first reading (and on the mailing list). - It may be good to be clear on who participate in a poll whenever its determined to be used (is it members and participants Or members alone?). At this point in the process, i will prefer/suggest that members only participate in the pool whenever deemed necessary. - I note that the less critical RECs(controversial wise) are included in the first meeting on Tuesday, which i think its a good one. That said, it is my hope that the comments summary will be ready 48hrs before the meeting on Thursday as it won't be helpful to discuss those RECs allocated without prior knowledge of the comments and i don't think that meeting should be considered first reading without those comment summary. - May i know if the comments on the REC12 and REC4 attached represents all comments received from the PC? Regards On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Alice Jansen <alice.jansen@icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
In anticipation of your call#74 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986616> – Tuesday, 5 January from 19:00-22:00 UTC (time converter <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+ACCT+Meeting&i...>), please find below a proposed agenda:
1. Welcome, Roll Call, SoI 2. Update from Chartering Organizations 3. Global Public Interest (GPI) 4. January Work plan discussions and overarching agenda (see attached) 5. Recommendation 12: Work Stream 2 (see attached) 6. Recommendation 4: Board removal liability mitigation (see attached) 7. Marrakech – ICANN 55 8. A.O.B
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Best regards
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