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+1 On 6/10/16 1:19 AM, Burr, Becky wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we’ve been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we’ve accomplished so far!
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass... <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_...>.
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On 6/10/16 1:19 AM, Burr, Becky wrote:
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http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass... <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_...>.
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Most certainly +1 RD On Jun 9, 2016 11:20 AM, "Burr, Becky" <Becky.Burr@neustar.biz> wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we’ve been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we’ve accomplished so far!
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass... <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_...> .
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Yep, been doing happy dance since reading it! avri On 09-Jun-16 11:19, Burr, Becky wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we’ve been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we’ve accomplished so far!
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass... <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_...>.
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Yes this is really an example of how this process and the MS model can, does and has been proven to work on even the hardest topics. Corporate governance, policy and all of these topics we have addressed are hard for small groups of highly expert people to design effectively, the fact that we have been able to do it in a large group by consensus should be a proud moment for us all. -James On 09/06/2016, 19:44, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri doria" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@apc.org> wrote:
Yep, been doing happy dance since reading it!
avri
On 09-Jun-16 11:19, Burr, Becky wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we’ve been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we’ve accomplished so far!
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass... <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_...>.
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Avri: Yep, been doing happy dance since reading it! Wolfgang: I did a "silly walk" in the Brussels conference center at EURODIG. w On 09-Jun-16 11:19, Burr, Becky wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we've been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we've accomplished so far!
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass... <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_...>.
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+1 and I'm drinking a glass of champagne On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:28 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
Avri: Yep, been doing happy dance since reading it!
Wolfgang: I did a "silly walk" in the Brussels conference center at EURODIG.
w
On 09-Jun-16 11:19, Burr, Becky wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we've been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we've accomplished so far!
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass...
< https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_... .
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All, this is in deed great news. I would like to take a moment and draw your attention to one aspect of this fantastic news: While our proposal enjoyed a lot of support, some raised concerns and doubts whether our recommendations actually make ICANN sufficiently robust in a post-transition world. I am sure I am not the only one who took those concerns seriously as I was and am very much interested in delivering a work product that makes ICANN the best possible place to serve the global community. I am still convinced that our recommendations are an excellent foundation for ICANN to work on, but just take a few minutes and go through the NTIA report. You will find that our proposal has been analyzed very diligently by different agencies and experts. Now we can truly say that it was not just „us" thinking what we came up with is a good quality work product, but we got confirmation from experts not previously engaged in the process. I hope this helps to remove remaining concerns there might be that the transition could put ICANN and the operation of the IANA functions at risk. Yes, all of you have good reason to dance, do silly walks, drink or celebrate this moment any way you want. It was and is a pleasure to work with you! Thanks for that. Thanks also to Larry and his team as well as the others involved in producing and contributing to the NTIA report. I am sure it was a very challenging task. All the best Thomas Thomas Rickert Rechtsanwalt tel: +49.228.74 898.0 fax: +49.228.74 898.66 email: thomas@rickert.net web: rickert.net <https://rickert.net/> RICKERT Rechtsanwaltsgesellschaft m.b.H. (i.e. law firm) Kaiserplatz 7 - 9, 53113 Bonn, Germany HRB 9262, AG Bonn - GF/CEO: Thomas Rickert
Am 09.06.2016 um 22:12 schrieb Erika Mann <erika@erikamann.com>:
+1 and I'm drinking a glass of champagne
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:28 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>> wrote: Avri: Yep, been doing happy dance since reading it!
Wolfgang: I did a "silly walk" in the Brussels conference center at EURODIG.
w
On 09-Jun-16 11:19, Burr, Becky wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we've been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we've accomplished so far!
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass... <http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass...> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_... <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_2016_iana-2Dstewardship-2Dtransition-2Dproposal-2Dassessment-2Dreport&d=DQMFAg&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=2_oDV-8RMvI_he6YVXSURDymIFBLLmuXXdpsjuV8RDc&s=n9We_m0x_VcwqhW0HzXrBDfxia7h8rDDv_lPhOrajxI&e=>>.
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I must say I was also shillings when I this report as I had my toast and coffee breakfasting today :-) B-) =D> On 10 Jun 2016 08:08, "Thomas Rickert" <thomas@rickert.net> wrote:
All, this is in deed great news.
I would like to take a moment and draw your attention to one aspect of this fantastic news:
While our proposal enjoyed a lot of support, some raised concerns and doubts whether our recommendations actually make ICANN sufficiently robust in a post-transition world. I am sure I am not the only one who took those concerns seriously as I was and am very much interested in delivering a work product that makes ICANN the best possible place to serve the global community. I am still convinced that our recommendations are an excellent foundation for ICANN to work on, but just take a few minutes and go through the NTIA report. You will find that our proposal has been analyzed very diligently by different agencies and experts. Now we can truly say that it was not just „us" thinking what we came up with is a good quality work product, but we got confirmation from experts not previously engaged in the process. I hope this helps to remove remaining concerns there might be that the transition could put ICANN and the operation of the IANA functions at risk.
Yes, all of you have good reason to dance, do silly walks, drink or celebrate this moment any way you want.
It was and is a pleasure to work with you! Thanks for that.
Thanks also to Larry and his team as well as the others involved in producing and contributing to the NTIA report. I am sure it was a very challenging task.
All the best Thomas
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Am 09.06.2016 um 22:12 schrieb Erika Mann <erika@erikamann.com>:
+1 and I'm drinking a glass of champagne
On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:28 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
Avri: Yep, been doing happy dance since reading it!
Wolfgang: I did a "silly walk" in the Brussels conference center at EURODIG.
w
On 09-Jun-16 11:19, Burr, Becky wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we've been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we've accomplished so far!
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/report/2016/iana-stewardship-transition-proposal-ass...
< https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ntia.doc.gov_report_... .
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Dear Cheryl, because of the time difference, I should celebrate with Jameson, sorry .... Congratulations all!! Alberto Soto De: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] En nombre de Cheryl Langdon-Orr Enviado el: jueves, 09 de junio de 2016 10:41 p.m. Para: Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net> CC: avri doria <avri@apc.org>; accountability-cross-community@icann.org Asunto: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] NTIA Report I must say I was also shillings when I this report as I had my toast and coffee breakfasting today :-) B-) =D> On 10 Jun 2016 08:08, "Thomas Rickert" <thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net> > wrote: All, this is in deed great news. I would like to take a moment and draw your attention to one aspect of this fantastic news: While our proposal enjoyed a lot of support, some raised concerns and doubts whether our recommendations actually make ICANN sufficiently robust in a post-transition world. I am sure I am not the only one who took those concerns seriously as I was and am very much interested in delivering a work product that makes ICANN the best possible place to serve the global community. I am still convinced that our recommendations are an excellent foundation for ICANN to work on, but just take a few minutes and go through the NTIA report. You will find that our proposal has been analyzed very diligently by different agencies and experts. Now we can truly say that it was not just „us" thinking what we came up with is a good quality work product, but we got confirmation from experts not previously engaged in the process. I hope this helps to remove remaining concerns there might be that the transition could put ICANN and the operation of the IANA functions at risk. Yes, all of you have good reason to dance, do silly walks, drink or celebrate this moment any way you want. It was and is a pleasure to work with you! Thanks for that. Thanks also to Larry and his team as well as the others involved in producing and contributing to the NTIA report. I am sure it was a very challenging task. All the best Thomas Thomas Rickert Rechtsanwalt tel: +49.228.74 898.0 fax: +49.228.74 898.66 email: thomas@rickert.net <mailto:thomas@rickert.net> web: <https://rickert.net/> rickert.net <https://rickert.net/rickert-mail.jpg> RICKERT Rechtsanwaltsgesellschaft m.b.H. (i.e. law firm) Kaiserplatz 7 - 9, 53113 Bonn, Germany HRB 9262, AG Bonn - GF/CEO: Thomas Rickert Am 09.06.2016 um 22:12 schrieb Erika Mann <erika@erikamann.com <mailto:erika@erikamann.com> >: +1 and I'm drinking a glass of champagne On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:28 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> > wrote: Avri: Yep, been doing happy dance since reading it! Wolfgang: I did a "silly walk" in the Brussels conference center at EURODIG. w On 09-Jun-16 11:19, Burr, Becky wrote:
I just read the Expert Assessment of the CCWG-Accountability Report. I know we've been through a weird and sometimes frustrating process to get to where we are today, but my take away from the Expert Assessment is that we should all be very proud of what we've accomplished so far!
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Hi, On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:08:37AM +0200, Thomas Rickert wrote:
diligently by different agencies and experts. Now we can truly say that it was not just „us" thinking what we came up with is a good quality work product, but we got confirmation from experts not previously engaged in the process. I hope this helps to remove remaining concerns there might be that the transition could put ICANN and the operation of the IANA functions at risk.
I think this is a super-important part of what we should take from the report, and I thank Thomas for highlighting it. The report, over and over, makes the point that community-driven processes and effective community oversight are the ultimate guarantors of responsibility. In a network of networks, which is by its very nature voluntary, the only way to ensure continued interoperation, health, and growth is to make sure that all the voluntary participants believe that they get something from joining or sticking around. This is the deep magic of internetworking: it only happens if we all do it. If someone tries to take it over it ends. What is wonderful to me in the report is the acknowledgement by people who (it appears) normally work with other situations (companies and so on) that the unusual nature of internetworking requires unusual management. People not normally adjusted to "Internet ways" thought about this, and recognized that an essentially voluntary system is unamenable to central control, or to capture, or to coercion. Their analysis provides the basic rebuke to those who think anyone might be "giving up" control. The control was always, and remains, a myth. I know that some people look at our ways -- of doing things in public, and of multiple plan revisions that seem to lurch from one extreme to the other -- and find them chaotic and naïve. They are wrong. Our ways produce results faster, with greater legitimacy, than another way would for this kind of technology. We may be messy, but we deliver. I shall be forever grateful to have seen this report on our collective work. I shall be forever mindful of how the crucible of disagreement allowed us to find the pure element of collaborative success. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
Fully agree. Very well-put. Thank you, Andrew! Best regards, Keith
On Jun 9, 2016, at 11:17 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:08:37AM +0200, Thomas Rickert wrote:
diligently by different agencies and experts. Now we can truly say that it was not just „us" thinking what we came up with is a good quality work product, but we got confirmation from experts not previously engaged in the process. I hope this helps to remove remaining concerns there might be that the transition could put ICANN and the operation of the IANA functions at risk.
I think this is a super-important part of what we should take from the report, and I thank Thomas for highlighting it.
The report, over and over, makes the point that community-driven processes and effective community oversight are the ultimate guarantors of responsibility. In a network of networks, which is by its very nature voluntary, the only way to ensure continued interoperation, health, and growth is to make sure that all the voluntary participants believe that they get something from joining or sticking around. This is the deep magic of internetworking: it only happens if we all do it. If someone tries to take it over it ends.
What is wonderful to me in the report is the acknowledgement by people who (it appears) normally work with other situations (companies and so on) that the unusual nature of internetworking requires unusual management. People not normally adjusted to "Internet ways" thought about this, and recognized that an essentially voluntary system is unamenable to central control, or to capture, or to coercion. Their analysis provides the basic rebuke to those who think anyone might be "giving up" control. The control was always, and remains, a myth.
I know that some people look at our ways -- of doing things in public, and of multiple plan revisions that seem to lurch from one extreme to the other -- and find them chaotic and naïve. They are wrong. Our ways produce results faster, with greater legitimacy, than another way would for this kind of technology. We may be messy, but we deliver. I shall be forever grateful to have seen this report on our collective work. I shall be forever mindful of how the crucible of disagreement allowed us to find the pure element of collaborative success.
Best regards,
A
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Yes, well said Andrew. Your logic was expressed at the beginning of this process in the Green Paper and the various meetings which took place around it in 1997-99. It is satisfying to see it reflected again towards the end of the process. It is a tribute to the community. On 6/10/16 3:03 PM, Drazek, Keith wrote:
Fully agree. Very well-put.
Thank you, Andrew!
Best regards, Keith
On Jun 9, 2016, at 11:17 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:08:37AM +0200, Thomas Rickert wrote:
diligently by different agencies and experts. Now we can truly say that it was not just „us" thinking what we came up with is a good quality work product, but we got confirmation from experts not previously engaged in the process. I hope this helps to remove remaining concerns there might be that the transition could put ICANN and the operation of the IANA functions at risk. I think this is a super-important part of what we should take from the report, and I thank Thomas for highlighting it.
The report, over and over, makes the point that community-driven processes and effective community oversight are the ultimate guarantors of responsibility. In a network of networks, which is by its very nature voluntary, the only way to ensure continued interoperation, health, and growth is to make sure that all the voluntary participants believe that they get something from joining or sticking around. This is the deep magic of internetworking: it only happens if we all do it. If someone tries to take it over it ends.
What is wonderful to me in the report is the acknowledgement by people who (it appears) normally work with other situations (companies and so on) that the unusual nature of internetworking requires unusual management. People not normally adjusted to "Internet ways" thought about this, and recognized that an essentially voluntary system is unamenable to central control, or to capture, or to coercion. Their analysis provides the basic rebuke to those who think anyone might be "giving up" control. The control was always, and remains, a myth.
I know that some people look at our ways -- of doing things in public, and of multiple plan revisions that seem to lurch from one extreme to the other -- and find them chaotic and naïve. They are wrong. Our ways produce results faster, with greater legitimacy, than another way would for this kind of technology. We may be messy, but we deliver. I shall be forever grateful to have seen this report on our collective work. I shall be forever mindful of how the crucible of disagreement allowed us to find the pure element of collaborative success.
Best regards,
A
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Completely agree - well said. On 6/9/2016 11:17 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:08:37AM +0200, Thomas Rickert wrote:
diligently by different agencies and experts. Now we can truly say that it was not just „us" thinking what we came up with is a good quality work product, but we got confirmation from experts not previously engaged in the process. I hope this helps to remove remaining concerns there might be that the transition could put ICANN and the operation of the IANA functions at risk. I think this is a super-important part of what we should take from the report, and I thank Thomas for highlighting it.
The report, over and over, makes the point that community-driven processes and effective community oversight are the ultimate guarantors of responsibility. In a network of networks, which is by its very nature voluntary, the only way to ensure continued interoperation, health, and growth is to make sure that all the voluntary participants believe that they get something from joining or sticking around. This is the deep magic of internetworking: it only happens if we all do it. If someone tries to take it over it ends.
What is wonderful to me in the report is the acknowledgement by people who (it appears) normally work with other situations (companies and so on) that the unusual nature of internetworking requires unusual management. People not normally adjusted to "Internet ways" thought about this, and recognized that an essentially voluntary system is unamenable to central control, or to capture, or to coercion. Their analysis provides the basic rebuke to those who think anyone might be "giving up" control. The control was always, and remains, a myth.
I know that some people look at our ways -- of doing things in public, and of multiple plan revisions that seem to lurch from one extreme to the other -- and find them chaotic and naïve. They are wrong. Our ways produce results faster, with greater legitimacy, than another way would for this kind of technology. We may be messy, but we deliver. I shall be forever grateful to have seen this report on our collective work. I shall be forever mindful of how the crucible of disagreement allowed us to find the pure element of collaborative success.
Best regards,
A
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Hi,
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:08:37AM +0200, Thomas Rickert wrote:
diligently by different agencies and experts. Now we can truly say that it was not just „us" thinking what we came up with is a good quality work product, but we got confirmation from experts not previously engaged in the process. I hope this helps to remove remaining concerns there might be that the transition could put ICANN and the operation of the IANA functions at risk. I think this is a super-important part of what we should take from the report, and I thank Thomas for highlighting it.
The report, over and over, makes the point that community-driven processes and effective community oversight are the ultimate guarantors of responsibility. In a network of networks, which is by its very nature voluntary, the only way to ensure continued interoperation, health, and growth is to make sure that all the voluntary participants believe that they get something from joining or sticking around. This is the deep magic of internetworking: it only happens if we all do it. If someone tries to take it over it ends.
What is wonderful to me in the report is the acknowledgement by people who (it appears) normally work with other situations (companies and so on) that the unusual nature of internetworking requires unusual management. People not normally adjusted to "Internet ways" thought about this, and recognized that an essentially voluntary system is unamenable to central control, or to capture, or to coercion. Their analysis provides the basic rebuke to those who think anyone might be "giving up" control. The control was always, and remains, a myth.
I know that some people look at our ways -- of doing things in public, and of multiple plan revisions that seem to lurch from one extreme to the other -- and find them chaotic and naïve. They are wrong. Our ways produce results faster, with greater legitimacy, than another way would for this kind of technology. We may be messy, but we deliver. I shall be forever grateful to have seen this report on our collective work. I shall be forever mindful of how the crucible of disagreement allowed us to find the pure element of collaborative success.
Best regards,
A
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On 10/06/2016 04:17, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
I shall be forever mindful of how the crucible of disagreement allowed us to find the pure element of collaborative success.
That's the essence of it, I think. Our open process doesn't only gather more competing ideas than other ways of doing things, those ideas are also contested for more fiercely than more hierarchical or collegiate models. That can be uncomfortable, but whatever idea survives that process must surely have a better chance of being correct (where there is an objective "correct") and supportable (where not) than outcomes reached through more limited challenge. A good day, I think. Best to you all, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ London Internet Exchange Ltd Monument Place, 24 Monument Street, London EC3R 8AJ Company Registered in England No. 3137929 Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA
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"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" -
Alberto Soto -
Andrew Sullivan -
avri doria -
Burr, Becky -
Cheryl Langdon-Orr -
Drazek, Keith -
Erika Mann -
James Gannon -
Malcolm Hutty -
Matthew Shears -
Paul Twomey -
Phil Corwin -
Rudolph Daniel -
Thomas Rickert