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If the CCWG Proposal is a "power grab" then it's the sorriest excuse for one I've ever seen. It is almost exclusively a proposal for greater defensive rights in reaction to ICANN Board/corporate actions, and would hardly put "vested self-interested special interests ("ICANN stakeholders" or "lobbyists")" in charge of the enterprise. Whenever I consider China's views on Internet matters I always recall all the websites that I could reach from the meeting rooms in Beijing but was blocked from reaching when in my room in the venue hotel next door. That's the Internet we don't want. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Chris Disspain Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 8:38 PM To: Accountability Cross Community (accountability-cross-community@icann.org) Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] new blog All, Forwarded at the request of John Poole who cannot post to the list. http://www.domainmondo.com/2015/09/china-caict-objects-to-icann-ccwg.html Cheers, Chris ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4419/10680 - Release Date: 09/22/15
I was sad to see the selective quote, which could see people thinking I think that a membership model ends fiduciary duties on board members, or that membership isn't the right approach. I don't think either of those things for the record. J On 25 September 2015 at 12:38, Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au> wrote:
All,
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http://www.domainmondo.com/2015/09/china-caict-objects-to-icann-ccwg.html
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Indeed California corporations explicitly provides for Members without worrying about directors' fiduciary duties. Since the corporations code is explicitly set up this way, it is odd that ICANN board and lawyers argue that somehow there is a problem. This is what Cal. corp. law was set up to do. If the California legislature doesn't worry about fiduciary duties of members / directors in a membership org, why are some this group pre-occupied with it? Thanks, Robin On Sep 24, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:
I was sad to see the selective quote, which could see people thinking I think that a membership model ends fiduciary duties on board members, or that membership isn't the right approach. I don't think either of those things for the record.
J
On 25 September 2015 at 12:38, Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au> wrote: All,
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Robin, That's an amazingly important point. Indeed, it is the arguably the essence of our reasons for picking a member model. Could it be that this change in the power dynamic is what the Board (or their counsel) is worrying about? On Thursday, September 24, 2015, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org> wrote:
Indeed California corporations explicitly provides for Members without worrying about directors' fiduciary duties. Since the corporations code is explicitly set up this way, it is odd that ICANN board and lawyers argue that somehow there is a problem. This is what Cal. corp. law was set up to do. If the California legislature doesn't worry about fiduciary duties of members / directors in a membership org, why are some this group pre-occupied with it?
Thanks, Robin
On Sep 24, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:
I was sad to see the selective quote, which could see people thinking I think that a membership model ends fiduciary duties on board members, or that membership isn't the right approach. I don't think either of those things for the record.
J
On 25 September 2015 at 12:38, Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ceo@auda.org.au');>> wrote:
All,
Forwarded at the request of John Poole who cannot post to the list.
http://www.domainmondo.com/2015/09/china-caict-objects-to-icann-ccwg.html
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi, How can there be any doubt that sharing their absolute power with the community is a problem for the Board. avri On 24-Sep-15 18:28, Greg Shatan wrote:
Robin,
That's an amazingly important point. Indeed, it is the arguably the essence of our reasons for picking a member model.
Could it be that this change in the power dynamic is what the Board (or their counsel) is worrying about?
On Thursday, September 24, 2015, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org <mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>> wrote:
Indeed California corporations explicitly provides for Members without worrying about directors' fiduciary duties. Since the corporations code is explicitly set up this way, it is odd that ICANN board and lawyers argue that somehow there is a problem. This is what Cal. corp. law was set up to do. If the California legislature doesn't worry about fiduciary duties of members / directors in a membership org, why are some this group pre-occupied with it?
Thanks, Robin
On Sep 24, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:
I was sad to see the selective quote, which could see people thinking I think that a membership model ends fiduciary duties on board members, or that membership isn't the right approach. I don't think either of those things for the record.
J
On 25 September 2015 at 12:38, Chris Disspain <ceo@auda.org.au <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ceo@auda.org.au');>> wrote:
All,
Forwarded at the request of John Poole who cannot post to the list.
http://www.domainmondo.com/2015/09/china-caict-objects-to-icann-ccwg.html
Cheers,
Chris
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On 25 Sep 2015, at 03:58, Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz> wrote:
I was sad to see the selective quote, which could see people thinking I think that a membership model ends fiduciary duties on board members, or that membership isn't the right approach. I don't think either of those things for the record.
Jordan, You are not the only person this article quotes out of context to suggest they meant the opposite of what they intended. The article quotes Ester Dyson as saying "... At least the USG (US government) offers some accountability. ICANN's primary active stakeholders are businesses making money off the DNS; most users are too busy elsewhere to pay much attention..."--comment of Esther Dyson, ICANN's founding Chairman, in The Guardian, Sept 22, 2015 Her actual comment was "Hold tightly to the hand of nurse, for fear of finding something worse. At least the USG offers some accountability. ICANN's primary active stakeholders are businesses making money off the DNS; most users are too busy elsewhere to pay much attention. Thanks for writing this, Emily." This was attached as a comment to an article written by Emily Taylor supportive of the CCWG proposal. In the article that Ester thanked Emily for writing, Emily wrote: "If Icann’s board can override the consensus of its own community, it casts doubt on the viability of the entire Icann model, and exposes the flakiness of the way essential internet resources are governed." and "The community’s solution is for Icann to become a membership organisation. I agree that this is the only outcome likely to deliver accountability. It’s feasible, it gives backstop power to the community and is a well understood model common to many non-profits." Not that you'd realise this from reading Mr Poole's article.
Hi Chris, I've objected in the past to staff posting to this CCWG members list on behalf of others. To maintain consistency, I again do so here when the posting is done by a respected member of the Board. I do not know John Poole but what I do know is that he does not seem to have a SOI on file. That's an important accountability tool we use here and I do not want to see individuals bypass that requirement by using others, even Board members, to post on their behalf. Since we seem to want to link to articles today, even those of rather dubious uneven quality, I'll take the opportunity to link to a very perceptive article that appeared in Monday's Guardian by Emily Taylor: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/21/icann-internet-us-governme... The key paragraph: "The community's solution is for Icann to become a membership organisation. I agree that this is the only outcome likely to deliver accountability. It's feasible, it gives backstop power to the community and is a well understood model common to many non-profits." Best, Ed Morris ---------------------------------------- From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo@auda.org.au> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:39 AM To: "Accountability Cross Community (accountability-cross-community@icann.org)" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] new blog All, Forwarded at the request of John Poole who cannot post to the list. http://www.domainmondo.com/2015/09/china-caict-objects-to-icann-ccwg.html Cheers, Chris
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