More on the Legal Grounds for the IANA transfer
The letter yesterday from Senator Cruz et.al, referenced a legal opinion from the General Counsel at the Department of Commerce. I had not seen that letter before and wasn't even aware that it had been issued. I managed to track it down. Here is a link, for those who are interested in the question: getliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15.06.11-Strickling-Response-on-NT IA-and-IANA-Property-Letter.pdf Paul Paul Rosenzweig Red Branch Consulting, PLLC 509 C St. NE Washington, DC 20002 paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 www.redbranchconsulting.com <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com/> Link to my PGP Key <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl e&id=19&Itemid=9>
Right – the only problem being that FAR Section 45.101 definition may not be the accurate definition since it expressly excludes intellectual property. [cid:image001.gif@01D0FAC9.2AD7A350] Anne E. Aikman-Scalese, Of Counsel Lewis Roca Rothgerber LLP One South Church Avenue Suite 700 | Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611 (T) 520.629.4428 | (F) 520.879.4725 AAikman@lrrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrlaw.com> | www.LRRLaw.com<http://www.lrrlaw.com/> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Rosenzweig Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:55 PM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] More on the Legal Grounds for the IANA transfer The letter yesterday from Senator Cruz et.al, referenced a legal opinion from the General Counsel at the Department of Commerce. I had not seen that letter before and wasn’t even aware that it had been issued. I managed to track it down. Here is a link, for those who are interested in the question: getliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15.06.11-Strickling-Response-on-NTIA-and-IANA-Property-Letter.pdf Paul Paul Rosenzweig Red Branch Consulting, PLLC 509 C St. NE Washington, DC 20002 paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 www.redbranchconsulting.com<http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com<http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com/> Link to my PGP Key<http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...> ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If the reader of this message or an attachment is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message or attachment to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender. The information transmitted in this message and any attachments may be privileged, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients, and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2510-2521.
Can the IANA operations, sole subject of the stewardship transition, be classified as "intelectual property"????? *Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez* +506 8837 7176 Skype carlos.raulg _________ Apartado 1571-1000 *COSTA RICA* On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrlaw.com> wrote:
Right – the only problem being that FAR Section 45.101 definition may not be the accurate definition since it expressly excludes intellectual property.
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*From:* accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rosenzweig *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:55 PM *To:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] More on the Legal Grounds for the IANA transfer
The letter yesterday from Senator Cruz et.al, referenced a legal opinion from the General Counsel at the Department of Commerce. I had not seen that letter before and wasn’t even aware that it had been issued. I managed to track it down. Here is a link, for those who are interested in the question: getliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15.06.11-Strickling-Response-on-NTIA-and-IANA-Property-Letter.pdf
Paul
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It seems the IANA trademark is already ICANN's, not NTIA's: Word Mark IANA Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: Administration, management, and coordination of parameters and guidelines for facilitating Internet communications; and the administration, management, and coordination of domain names or addresses on the internet. FIRST USE: 19960200. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19960200 IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Providing information via the internet in the field of technical standards and guidelines for global computer information networks; creation of and establishing provisions for and development and maintenance of technical parameters and guidelines for facilitating Internet communications; and the creation of, establishing technical provisions for and monitoring and maintenance of domain names or addresses on the Internet. FIRST USE: 19960200. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19960200 IC 045. US 100 101. G & S: Registration of domain names for identification of users on a global computer network; providing information via the internet in the field of registration of domain names for identification of users on a global computer network. FIRST USE: 19960200. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19960200 Standard Characters Claimed Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK Trademark Search Facility Classification Code LETTER-3-OR-MORE IANA Combination of three or more letters as part of the mark Serial Number 77310518 Filing Date October 22, 2007 Current Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1A Published for Opposition September 9, 2008 Registration Number 3536171 Registration Date November 25, 2008 Owner (REGISTRANT) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles CALIFORNIA 900942536 Prior Registrations 2620519;2764089 Type of Mark SERVICE MARK Register PRINCIPAL Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). Live/Dead Indicator LIVE Rubens
Em 29/09/2015, à(s) 19:11:000, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrlaw.com> escreveu:
Right – the only problem being that FAR Section 45.101 definition may not be the accurate definition since it expressly excludes intellectual property.
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From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Rosenzweig Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:55 PM To: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] More on the Legal Grounds for the IANA transfer
The letter yesterday from Senator Cruz et.al, referenced a legal opinion from the General Counsel at the Department of Commerce. I had not seen that letter before and wasn’t even aware that it had been issued. I managed to track it down. Here is a link, for those who are interested in the question: getliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15.06.11-Strickling-Response-on-NTIA-and-IANA-Property-Letter.pdf
Paul
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Please don't get me started on the IANA Trademarks.... On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> wrote:
It seems the IANA trademark is already ICANN's, not NTIA's:
*Word Mark**IANA**Goods and Services*IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: Administration, management, and coordination of parameters and guidelines for facilitating Internet communications; and the administration, management, and coordination of domain names or addresses on the internet. FIRST USE: 19960200. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19960200
IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Providing information via the internet in the field of technical standards and guidelines for global computer information networks; creation of and establishing provisions for and development and maintenance of technical parameters and guidelines for facilitating Internet communications; and the creation of, establishing technical provisions for and monitoring and maintenance of domain names or addresses on the Internet. FIRST USE: 19960200. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19960200
IC 045. US 100 101. G & S: Registration of domain names for identification of users on a global computer network; providing information via the internet in the field of registration of domain names for identification of users on a global computer network. FIRST USE: 19960200. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19960200 *Standard Characters Claimed**Mark Drawing Code*(4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK*Trademark Search Facility Classification Code*LETTER-3-OR-MORE IANA Combination of three or more letters as part of the mark*Serial Number* 77310518*Filing Date*October 22, 2007*Current Basis*1A*Original Filing Basis*1A*Published for Opposition*September 9, 2008*Registration Number* 3536171*Registration Date*November 25, 2008*Owner*(REGISTRANT) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles CALIFORNIA 900942536*Prior Registrations*2620519;2764089*Type of Mark*SERVICE MARK*Register*PRINCIPAL*Affidavit Text*SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).*Live/Dead Indicator*LIVE
Rubens
Em 29/09/2015, à(s) 19:11:000, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrlaw.com> escreveu:
Right – the only problem being that FAR Section 45.101 definition may not be the accurate definition since it expressly excludes intellectual property.
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*Anne E. Aikman-Scalese, Of Counsel*
*Lewis Roca Rothgerber LLP*
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*From:* accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rosenzweig *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:55 PM *To:* accountability-cross-community@icann.org *Subject:* [CCWG-ACCT] More on the Legal Grounds for the IANA transfer
The letter yesterday from Senator Cruz et.al, referenced a legal opinion from the General Counsel at the Department of Commerce. I had not seen that letter before and wasn’t even aware that it had been issued. I managed to track it down. Here is a link, for those who are interested in the question: getliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15.06.11-Strickling-Response-on-NTIA-and-IANA-Property-Letter.pdf
Paul
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Rubens, just to be clear, Steve Crocker has said on this list if I am not mistaken that the trademark is defensive and would go with the IANA F Unction Manager (ie to PTI or whoever). The junior Senator from Alberta and his conservative cohorts are not talking about that here, they are talking about the root zone (databases). And as distressing this is, they may have a point. el On 2015-09-30 01:38, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
It seems the IANA trademark is already ICANN's, not NTIA's:
*Word Mark* *IANA*
[...]
*Owner* (REGISTRANT) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles CALIFORNIA 900942536 [...] -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el@lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell) PO Box 8421 \ / Bachbrecht, Namibia ;____/
No the IPR will be held in trust by a third party, most likely by the IETF Trust. _jg On 30/09/2015 10:14, "accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org on behalf of el@lisse.NA> wrote:
Rubens,
just to be clear, Steve Crocker has said on this list if I am not mistaken that the trademark is defensive and would go with the IANA F Unction Manager (ie to PTI or whoever).
The junior Senator from Alberta and his conservative cohorts are not talking about that here, they are talking about the root zone (databases).
And as distressing this is, they may have a point.
el
On 2015-09-30 01:38, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
It seems the IANA trademark is already ICANN's, not NTIA's:
*Word Mark* *IANA*
[...]
*Owner* (REGISTRANT) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles CALIFORNIA 900942536 [...] -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el@lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell) PO Box 8421 \ / Bachbrecht, Namibia ;____/
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Smoke and Mirrors, In House Counsel's job is to write it up the way management needs it. Also, if you look carefully, there are many qualifications in the language used. I still believe we should certify this to our own Counsel. el On 2015-09-29 22:55, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:
The letter yesterday from Senator Cruz et.al, referenced a legal opinion from the General Counsel at the Department of Commerce. I had not seen that letter before and wasn’t even aware that it had been issued. I managed to track it down. Here is a link, for those who are interested in the question: getliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15.06.11-Strickling-Response-on-NTIA-and-IANA-Property-Letter.pdf
Paul [...] -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar) el@lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell) PO Box 8421 \ / Bachbrecht, Namibia ;____/
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