Fw: [ccwg-internet-governance] ICANN BLOG ON WSIS+10 UNGA MEETING
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No, please don't, it's just his usual waffling without content. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On 21 Dec 2015, at 04:54, Mary Uduma via Accountability-Cross-Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> wrote:
FYI Please circulate wide. Mrs Uduma
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson@icann.org> Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2015 21:32 To: ccwg Subject: [ccwg-internet-governance] ICANN BLOG ON WSIS+10 UNGA MEETING
Good afternoon
Ahead of our CCWG IG Call later in week (where WSIS+10 Review is an agenda item); attach a Blog ICANN has just posted by Fadi Chehade.
https://www.icann.org/news/blog/wsis-10-hlm
Best
Nigel
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Can I please ask the Board Members here if the position taken by the Corporation in this initiative was approved by the Board beforehand? If it was, is this not contradictory to the principle of multistakeholderim. If it was not, why is the Board not keeping a closer watch on the positions staff are committing you to? On 21/12/15 05:05, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
No, please don't, it's just his usual waffling without content.
el
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You mean this part: ICANN is looking forward to work with all stakeholders, including the I* organizations, in the future deliberations and discussions, as defined in the WSIS+10 Outcome Document. Or the one below: We at ICANN look forward to increased dialogue, understanding and cooperation with the people from the UN, its agencies and the missions, to make sure the Internet continues to develop with full participation of all stakeholders. Otherwise could you clarify the position referred. Regards On Dec 21, 2015 6:58 AM, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote:
Can I please ask the Board Members here if the position taken by the Corporation in this initiative was approved by the Board beforehand?
If it was, is this not contradictory to the principle of multistakeholderim.
If it was not, why is the Board not keeping a closer watch on the positions staff are committing you to?
On 21/12/15 05:05, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
No, please don't, it's just his usual waffling without content.
el
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Nigel, you don't have to address this, nobody of note takes his waffling serious, and not only since he's lame duck. It's just a shame that he's cost ICANN almost as much in salaries, travel and whatever else as they have spent on the transition so far. At least the blonde pot head was cheaper. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On 21 Dec 2015, at 08:14, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
You mean this part: ICANN is looking forward to work with all stakeholders, including the I* organizations, in the future deliberations and discussions, as defined in the WSIS+10 Outcome Document.
Or the one below:
We at ICANN look forward to increased dialogue, understanding and cooperation with the people from the UN, its agencies and the missions, to make sure the Internet continues to develop with full participation of all stakeholders.
Otherwise could you clarify the position referred.
Regards
On Dec 21, 2015 6:58 AM, "Nigel Roberts" <nigel@channelisles.net> wrote: Can I please ask the Board Members here if the position taken by the Corporation in this initiative was approved by the Board beforehand?
If it was, is this not contradictory to the principle of multistakeholderim.
If it was not, why is the Board not keeping a closer watch on the positions staff are committing you to?
On 21/12/15 05:05, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: No, please don't, it's just his usual waffling without content.
el
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Actually, I mean the guanxi of setting up Netmundial Redux in China which I think is very dangerous to the whole multistakeholder concept we have all been working for these last almost 20 years. This is serious stuff. I am going to assume that ICANN can afford the best cultural briefings available, therefore I assume that this is all done (a) intentionally and (b) with the active acquiescence of the Board. I like the guy personally. All questions of waffling aside, he's very personable. But if he worked for me, he would suddenly find his planned exit moved forward VERY considerably after this . . http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/18/ex_icann_ceo_will_work_with_china/ On 21/12/15 06:14, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
You mean this part: ICANN is looking forward to work with all stakeholders, including the I*
On December 18 Fadi posted this on Twitter-- "ICANN President @icann_president Dec 18 Glad to co-chair with Jack Ma #WuzhenSummit multistakeholder advisory committee in personal capacity. A post-ICANN activity to champion MSM." This seems to raise some questions: · Can the ICANN CEO participate in an Internet Governance related activity in a truly personal capacity? Somehow I have to think he might not be touted as Co-Chair if he was simply a private citizen with no ICANN connection. · How can this be a “post-ICANN activity” when he is engaged now and still on the payroll until March 12th? Who paid for his travel expenses to Wuhzen? · Is this new initiative really going to “champion MSM” when it appears that the Chinese will continue to pursue a multilateral IG, pro-Internet censorship agenda that makes excuses for national firewalls and pervasive monitoring? My view is that Fadi’s prominent role as Co-Chair, initiated while still ICANN CEO, implicitly gives this initiative ICANN’s blessing even though its aims may be very divergent from those of the transition, which is to preserve the MSM and an open Internet. I share Nigel’s curiosity as to whether this was signed off on in advance by the Board. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey -----Original Message----- From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nigel Roberts Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 3:08 AM To: Seun Ojedeji Cc: accountability-cross-community@icann.org Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [ccwg-internet-governance] ICANN BLOG ON WSIS+10 UNGA MEETING Actually, I mean the guanxi of setting up Netmundial Redux in China which I think is very dangerous to the whole multistakeholder concept we have all been working for these last almost 20 years. This is serious stuff. I am going to assume that ICANN can afford the best cultural briefings available, therefore I assume that this is all done (a) intentionally and (b) with the active acquiescence of the Board. I like the guy personally. All questions of waffling aside, he's very personable. But if he worked for me, he would suddenly find his planned exit moved forward VERY considerably after this . . http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/18/ex_icann_ceo_will_work_with_china/ On 21/12/15 06:14, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
You mean this part:
ICANN is looking forward to work with all stakeholders, including the
I*
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Phil and Nigel, Thanks for raising this. At minimum, I think your questions should be answered and the Board's prior knowledge of this needs to be clarified. Best, Brett __________ ________________________________ Brett Schaefer Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy The Heritage Foundation 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, DC 20002 202-608-6097 heritage.org<http://heritage.org/> On Dec 21, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>> wrote: On December 18 Fadi posted this on Twitter-- "ICANN President @icann_president Dec 18 Glad to co-chair with Jack Ma #WuzhenSummit multistakeholder advisory committee in personal capacity. A post-ICANN activity to champion MSM." This seems to raise some questions: · Can the ICANN CEO participate in an Internet Governance related activity in a truly personal capacity? Somehow I have to think he might not be touted as Co-Chair if he was simply a private citizen with no ICANN connection. · How can this be a “post-ICANN activity” when he is engaged now and still on the payroll until March 12th? Who paid for his travel expenses to Wuhzen? · Is this new initiative really going to “champion MSM” when it appears that the Chinese will continue to pursue a multilateral IG, pro-Internet censorship agenda that makes excuses for national firewalls and pervasive monitoring? My view is that Fadi’s prominent role as Co-Chair, initiated while still ICANN CEO, implicitly gives this initiative ICANN’s blessing even though its aims may be very divergent from those of the transition, which is to preserve the MSM and an open Internet. I share Nigel’s curiosity as to whether this was signed off on in advance by the Board. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey -----Original Message----- From: accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nigel Roberts Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 3:08 AM To: Seun Ojedeji Cc: accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fw: [ccwg-internet-governance] ICANN BLOG ON WSIS+10 UNGA MEETING Actually, I mean the guanxi of setting up Netmundial Redux in China which I think is very dangerous to the whole multistakeholder concept we have all been working for these last almost 20 years. This is serious stuff. I am going to assume that ICANN can afford the best cultural briefings available, therefore I assume that this is all done (a) intentionally and (b) with the active acquiescence of the Board. I like the guy personally. All questions of waffling aside, he's very personable. But if he worked for me, he would suddenly find his planned exit moved forward VERY considerably after this . . http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/18/ex_icann_ceo_will_work_with_china/<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/18/ex_icann_ceo_will_work_with_china/> On 21/12/15 06:14, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
You mean this part:
ICANN is looking forward to work with all stakeholders, including the
I*
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